Former VP Biden’s Presidential Debate Words Analyzed

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Orange letters are attacks against the policies of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence’s administration.
Yellow letters are personal attacks against either President Donald Trump or Vice President Mike Pence or general attacks against the Republican party. These have no place in a civil debate and only lead to division.
Purple letters are statements about his record, Senator Kamala Harris’s record.
Gray letters are statements about his personal values or Senator Kamala Harris’s values or beliefs.
Blue letters are the most important, because those are policy statements or “We WILL ___” statements. These are the most significant words spoken in a debate. Sadly, there have been few of these uttered in either of the two 2020 presidential debates. Scroll below to see how few policy words were spoken.
Black letters are extra, they are not history records, policy statements or attacks. Sometimes, they are “thank you’s” or contain gestures. Often times, they are time-fillers in order to avoid the real question.

What He Said:

“How you doing, man?                
I’m well.

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Well, first of all, thank you for doing this and looking forward to this, Mr. President. The American people have a right to have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is and that say occurs when they vote for United States Senators and when they vote for the President of United States. They’re not going to get that chance now because we’re in the middle of an election already. The election has already started. Tens of thousands of people already voted and so the thing that should happen is we should wait. We should wait and see what the outcome of this election is because that’s the only way the American people get to express their view is by who they elect as President and who they elect as Vice President. Now, what’s at stake here is the President’s made it clear, he wants to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. He’s been running on that, he ran on that and he’s been governing on that. He’s in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which will strip 20 million people from having health insurance now, if it goes into court. And the justice, I’m not opposed to the justice, she seems like a very fine person. But she’s written, before she went in the bench, which is her right, that she thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not Constitutional. The other thing that’s on the court, and if it’s struck down, what happens? Women’s rights are fundamentally changed. Once again, a woman could pay more money because she has a pre-existing condition of pregnancy. They’re able to charge women more for the same exact procedure a man gets. And that ended when we, in fact, passed the Affordable Care Act, and there’s a hundred million people who have pre-existing conditions and they’ll be taken away as well. Those pre-existing conditions, insurance companies are going to love this. And so it’s just not appropriate to do this before this election. If he wins the election and the Senate is Republican, then he goes forward. If not, we should wait until February.

He’s elected to the next election. The election’s already started.

That’s simply not true.

Laughed

Open discussion.

Number one, he knows what I proposed. What I proposed is that we expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any. And one of the big debates we had with 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won, were saying that Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can. They do. They will under my proposal. That is simply a lie.

My party is me. And right now, I am the Democratic Party. I am the Democratic Party right now.

The platform of the Democratic Party is wh- what I, in fact, approved of, what I approved of. Now, here’s the deal. The deal is that it’s going to wipe out pre-existing conditions. And, by the way, the 200,000 people that have died on his watch, how many of those have survived?

Well, there’s seven million people that contracted COVID. What does it mean for them going forward if you strike down the Affordable Care Act? Laughed

I’m happy to talk about this. Look- Look, here’s the deal 

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Late on the draw

By the way

You’re not going to be able to shut him up. 

Laughed

Let me finish. The point is that the President also is opposed to Roe V. Wade. That’s on the ballot as well and the court, in the court, and so that’s also at stake right now. And so the election is already begun 

Well, because you say-

Uh. It’s on the ballot in the court. In the court.

Donald, would you just be quiet.

I don’t know her…

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Alright

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Good healthcare [laughed]

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He has not cut healthcare

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Yes.

It is not!

Sorry.

It does not!  It’s only for those people that are so poor It does not. It’s only for those people who are so poor they qualify for Medicaid they can get that free in most States, except Governors who want to deny people who are poor Medicaid. Anyone who qualifies for Medicare-

M-m-excuse me, Medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. The vast majority of the American people would still not be in that option. Number one. Number two. 

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Yeah, well the manifesto 

Look, hey-

I’m not going to listen to him-The fact of the matter is I beat Bernie Sanders. 

I beat him by a whole hell of a lot. I’m-I’m here facing you old buddy.

Well, I’ll tell you-

All he knows how to do is hurt people  Look, here’s the deal.  I got very lucky. I’m going to get very lucky tonight as well. And, tonight I’m going to make sure–  because here’s the deal.  Here’s the deal, the The fact is that everything he’s saying so far is simply a lie. I’m not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he’s a liar. I just wanna make sure. I wanna make sure. [Laughed] God. I wanna make sure. No, he doesn’t know how to do that. He has, 

You picked the wrong- The wrong guy, the wrong time. Here’s the deal. The whole idea- There is no manifesto number one.  Number two, Number two–I, I…

Folks, do you have any idea what this clown’s doing? [uttered something] Well I’ll tell you what, he is not for any  help for people needing healthcare. Because- Because-he, in fact, already has costs 10 million people their healthcare that they had from their employers because of his recession. Number one. Number two, there are 20 million people getting healthcare through Obamacare now that he wants to take it away. He won’t ever look you in the eye and say that’s what he wants to do. Take it away. And by the way, he doesn’t know how  He doesn’t know how.

to do that. He has never done a single thing. [Looked confused} [uttered something] 

Not true.

[Laughed}

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That’s what his people have said.

He has no plan for healthcare. He sends out wishful thinking. He has Executive Orders that have no power. He hasn’t lowered drug costs for anybody. He’s been promising a healthcare plan since he

got elected. He has none, like almost everything else he talks about. He does not have a plan. He doesn’t have a plan. And the fact is this man doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  He doesn’t have a plan.

Sure

No, I’m saying–  

Whatever position I take on that, that’ll become the issue. The issue is the American people should speak. You should go out and vote. 

You’re voting now. Vote and let your Senators know strongly    how you feel. Let. Vote now. Make sure you, in fact, let people know, your Senators.  I’m not going to answer the question, because–

The question. [Closed eyes] Will you shut up, man? This is so–   This is so unpresidential

That was really a productive segment, wasn’t it? 

Keep yapping, man. 

Yeah, they sure do. 

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Good luck. 200,000 dead. As you said, over seven million infected in the United States. We, in fact, have five perc- four percent of the world’s population, 20% of the deaths. 40,000 people a day are contracting COVID. In addition to that, about between 750 and 1000 people a day are dying. When he was presented with that number, he said, “It is what it is.” Well, it is what it is because you are who you are. That’s why it is. The President has no plan. He hasn’t laid out anything. He knew all the way back in February how serious this crisis was. He knew it was a deadly disease. 

What did he do? He’s on tape as acknowledging he knew it. He said he didn’t tell us or give people a warning of it because he didn’t want to panic the American people. You don’t panic. He panicked. In addition to that, what did he do? He went in and he

we were insisting that the Chinese, that the people we had in the ground in China should be able to go to Wuhan  and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He did not even ask Xi to do that.   He told us what a great job Xi was doing. He said we owe him debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us. And what did he do then? He then did nothing. He waited and waited and waited. He still doesn’t have a plan.  I laid out, back in March exactly what we should be doing and I laid out again in July what we should be doing. We should be providing the money the House has passed in order to be able to go out and get people the help they need to keep their businesses open. Open schools it costs a lot of money. You should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap and get in your golf course and go in the Oval Office and bring together the Democrats and Republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives.

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It’s unrelated.

[Laughed]   [Laughed]  [Laughed]

I know how to do the job. I know how to get the job done.

[uttered something]. Fourteen thousand. Fourteen thousand  people died, not two hundred thousand, there was noone, we didn’t shut down the economy. This is his economy that’s being he shut down. The reason it’s shut down is because, look, you folks at home. How many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of COVID? How many of you are in a situation where you lost your mom or dad and you couldn’t even speak to them, you had a nurse holding a phone up so you could in fact say goodbye?  How many people?  And, and  by the way

His own CDC Director says we could lose as many as another 200,000 people between now and the end of the year. And he said, if we just wear a mask, we can save half those numbers. Just a mask. And by the way, in terms 

of the whole notion of a vaccine, we’re for a vaccine, but I don’t trust him at all. Nor do you. I know you don’t. What we trust is a scientist.  We trust Dr. Fauci.  And–and–by the way. [Uttered something]

[Laughed]. God.

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This is the same man  who told you, by Easter this would be gone away, by the warm weather it’d be gone, miraculously. Like a miracle. And by the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm and that would take care of it. This is the same man.

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So here’s the deal. This man is talking about a vaccine. Every serious. Every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year, but the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning of the middle of next year to get it out, if we get the vaccine. And pray God we will. Pray God we will.

No more than the question you just asked him. You pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists. You can’t Well no no you can trust the scientists. He didn’t she didn’t say that, you can trust the

yes, well  the, that–

that’s what he’s going to try to do, but there’s millions of scientists, there’s thousands of scientists out there like here at this great hospital that don’t work for him, their job dodent depend on him. That’s not…They’re the people  And by the way, [uttered something]

and by the way,  Do you believe for a moment what he’s telling you, in light of all the lies he’s told you about the whole issue relating to COVID? He still hasn’t acknowledged. 

He still hasn’t even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be back in February, and he didn’t even tell you. He’s on record as saying it. He panicked or he just looked at the stock market. One of the two. Because guess what? A lot of people died

and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker-  [Laughed]

Oh, give me a break.

Well, let’s have this debate [uttered something]. See [utters something]. Okay [looked confused]

Because he doesn’t have a plan. If I were running it, I’d know what the plan is. You’ve got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the PPE, as well as with the sanitation they need. You have to provide 

[uttered something] Will he just shush for a minute? 

And, by the way, Nancy Pelosi and Schumer, they have a plan.  He won’t even meet with them. Republicans won’t even meet in the Senate- And he said- he sits in his golf course, I mean-  I mean, think about it 

[Laughed]

Oh God.

You just admitted you shut it down. 

I’ve got to respond to that I’ve got to- respond to that

[Laughed] 

Just like your rally?

[Laughed] 

Look, the way to open businesses is give them the wherewithal to be able open.

We provided money, the-

[confused look]

Well, masks make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore masks between now, if everybody wore a mask and social distanced between now and January, we’d probably save up to 100,000

lives. It matters. And no serious person said the opposite No Serious person He did not say the-

[Laughed]

By the, by the way, did y-you see one of the last big rallies he has? And a reporter came up to him to ask him a question, he said, “No, no, no. Stand back, put on your mask, put on a mask. Have you been tested?

I’m way far away from those other people.” That’s what he said, “I’m going to be okay.” He not worried about you. He’s not worried about the people out there breathing on one another No negative effect, come on. Well–

Yes

Yes I would 

He’s been totally irresponsible in the way that he has handled the um social distancing and people wearing masks, basically encouraged them not to. He’s a fool on that

The difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the COVID crisis have done very well. Billionaires have made another $300 billion because of his profligate tax cut–uh, uh, proposal, and he only focused on the market. But you folks at home, you folks living in Scranton and Claymont and all the small towns and working class towns in America, how well are you doing?  This guy paid $750 in taxes

Do I get my time back? The fact is that he has in fact, worked on this in a way that he’s going to be the first president of the United States to leave office, having fewer jobs in his administration than when he became president. Fewer jobs than when he became president. First one in American history. Secondly, the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the front lines. Those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying.

People who’ve been putting themselves in the way to make sure that we could all try to make it. And the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half the states in America with a significant increase in COVID deaths and COVID cases in the United 

States of America, and he wants to open it up more. Why is he want to open it up? Why does he take care of the… You can’t fix the economy until you fix the COVID crisis. And he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home

Schools. Why aren’t schools open? Because it costs a lot of money to open them safely. They were going to give, his administration going to give the teachers and school students masks, and then they decided no, couldn’t do that because it’s not a national emergency. Not a 

national emergency. They’ve done nothing to help small businesses. Nothing. They’re closing. One in six is now gone. He ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the American people so we can

open safely.

People want to be-safe 

[Laughed] [Laughed]

Show us your tax returns. Show us your tax returns.

Oh 

[Laughed]

Release your tax returns. Release your tax returns

When?  [uttered something]

[Laughed]

Yeah, I do want to respond. Look, the tax code that made him, that put him in a position that he pays less tax than on the money a school teacher makes–than on the money a school teacher pays–is because of him… He says he’s smart because he can take advantage of the tax code. And he does take advantage of the tax code. That’s why I’m going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts. I’m gonna eliminate those tax cuts, and make sure that we invest in the people who in fact need the help. People out there need help.  Because you weren’t President, screwing things up. You’re the worst President America’s ever had. Come on

Well, just take a look at what is the analysis done by Wall Street firms, points out that my economic plan would create seven million more jobs than his in four years, number one. And number two, it would create an additional $1 trillion in economic growth, because it would be about buying American. The federal government spends $600 billion a year on everything from ships, to steel, to buildings and the like. And under my proposal, we’re going to make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a company-  Oh, I–

By the way, I’m going to eliminate a significant number of the taxes. I’m going to make the corporate tax 28%. It shouldn’t be 21%. You have nineteen companies uh uh ninety one companies federal and um I mean fortune five hundereds who don’t pay a single penny in tax making billions of dollars.

Because-Because you in fact passed that,  That was your tax proposal.  Yeah, you got it done. And it’s…uh…The economy is busted. Let me finish–

Not lower taxes for the American people.

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Half of the companies–

Hardly any companies have poured in  [uttered something] 

Look–  … we inherited the worst recession, short of a depression in American history. I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you’re talking about. We handed him a booming economy, he blew it.  He blew it.

Yeah, well, because, what he did, even before Covid, manufacturing went in the hole. Manufacturing went in the hole.  Number one.  And number two, number three

No.  This guy is something.

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I’m the guy that brought back the automobile industry. We brought back. I was asked to bring back Chrystler and General Motors, we brought em back right here in the state of Ohio and Michigan. He blew it, they’re gone. He blew it. And in fact they’re gone-

That is not true Not That did not happen.  And so, you take a look at what he’s actually done. He’s done very little.

His trade deals are the same way. He talks about these great trade deals. You know, he talks about the art of the deal. China’s made–perfected the art of the steal. We have a higher defecit with China now than we did before. We have the highest defi-trade deficit with Mexico.

[utters something]  Simply not true. Not true.

That is not true.  That is not true. None of that is true. None of that is true. 

None of that is true. It’s totally discredited totally discredited, and by the way– That is not true.  But my son–

There’s not a fact. It’s been totally discr-edited [uttered something].  My son–

did nothing wrong in Barisma, and The only guy that  He doesn’t want to let me answer because he knows I have the truth. He–his position has been totally thoroughly discredited. By everybody–well, by the media, by our allies-by the World Bank, by evr- By everyone–has discredited it. As a matter of fact, even the people Who testified under oath. [uttered something] Even the people under-

He testified. Testified. … testified under oath in his administration said I did my job and I did it very well. I did it honorably. Everyo-well, I’ll give you the list of the people who testified. I’m sure you’ve already fired most

of them because they did a good job. Well, here’s Well, it’s hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me, this person. That is simply not true.

He didn’t–look, here’s the deal, we want to talk about families and ethics, I don’t want to do that, I mean, his family, we could talk about all night. His family’s already–

And that’s such a– 4This is not about my family or his family it’s about your family, the American people. He doesn’t. That’s not true. It doesn’t want to talk about what you need you, the American people. It’s about you. That’s what we’re talking about here. He didn’t take that. Try to be honest

That is absolutely not true Yeah, good point.

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It’s about equity and equality, it’s about decency, it’s about the constitution, and we have never walked away from trying to quie-require equity for everyone, equality for the whole of America. But, we’ve never accomplished it. But, we’ve never walked away from it like he has done. It is true, the reason I got in the race is when those people close your eyes, remember what those people look like coming out of the fields carrying torches, their veins bulging, spewting, just spewing anti-semetic bile and accompanied by the Klu Klux Klan. A young woman got killed. And I asked the President what he thought, he said there were very fine people on both sides

No president’s ever said anything like that. Now, in the second. The second point I’d make to you is that when Floyd was killed, when Mr. Floyd was killed, there was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. What did he do? He came out of his bunker, had the military do use tear gas on them so he could walk across to a church and hold up a Bible. And then what happened after that? The Bishop of that very church said that it was a disgrace. The general who was with him said all he all he ever wants to do is divide people,not unite people at all. This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle, to try to generate racists hatred, racist division. This is a man who, in fact, you talk about helping

African-Americans, one in 1000 African Americans has been killed because of the crona…coronavirus. And if he doesn’t do something quickly, by the end of the year, one in 500 will have been killed. One in 500 African Americans.

This man is as a savior of African-Americans? This man cares at all? This man’s done virtually nothing. Look, the fact is that you have to look at what he’s talks about. You have to look at what he did.

And what he did has been disastrous for the African-American community.

That’s not true. I never said that

Yes, there is. There’s sys..systemic  injustice in this country, in education and work and in law enforcement  

and the way in which it’s enforced. But look, the vast majority of police officers are good, decent, honorable men and women.  They risk their lives every day to take care of us, but there are some bad apples. And when they occur, when they find them, they have to be sorted out. They have to be held accountable.

They have to be held accountable. And what I’m going to do as President of the United States is call together an entire group of people at the White House, everything from the civil rights groups, to the police officers, to the police chiefs, and we’re going to work this out.

We’re going to work this out. So we changed the way in which we have more transparency, in when these things happen. These cops aren’t happy to see what happened to George Floyd. These cops aren’t happy to see what happened to Breonna Taylor. Most don’t like it,

but we have to have a system where people are held accountable when… And by the way, violence in response is never appropriate, never appropriate. Peaceful protest is, violence is never appropriate.

That is not peaceful protest. I did not say that

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Nobody’s doing that. He’s the racist.

Here’s the deal. I know a lot more about this-

The fact is that there is racial insensitivity. People have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what insults them, what is demeaning to them. It’s important people know. Many people don’t want to hurt other people’s feelings, but it makes a big difference. It makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self-esteem. It’s a little bit like how this guy and his friends look down on so many people. They look down their nose on people like Irish Catholics, like me, who grow up in Scranton. They look down on people who don’t have money. They look down on people who are of a different faith. They looked down on people who are a different color. In fact, we’re all Americans. The only way we’re going to bring this country together is bring everybody together. There’s nothing we cannot do, if we do it together.

We can take this on and we can defeat racism in American.

Oh my Lord. This is ridiculous Absolutely ridiculous

violent crime I’m in favor of law. You follow, and a little bit of order. Of course everyone’s in favor of law and order.  Law and order with justice, where people get treated  fairly And the fact of the matter is, crime went down seventeed–fifteen percent in our administration. It’s gone up on his watch. 

Republican cities. Republic- 6 [uttered something]

We would run it the way  suburbs  He wouldn’t know a suburb unless you took a wrong turn. I was raised in the suburbs. 

This is not 1950

All these dog whistles and racism don’t work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated. There’s many people today driving their kids to soccer practice and/or black and white and Hispanic in the same car as there have been any time in the past,

what really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with COVID. They’re dying in the suburbs. His failure to deal with the environment, they’re being flooded, they’re being burned out because his refusal to do anything. That’s why the suburbs are in trouble.

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Look, what I support are the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face and I’m totally opposed to defunding the police offices. As a matter of fact police, local police, the only one defunding in his budget calls for a $400 million cut in local law enforcement assistance. They need more assistance. They need when they show up for a 9-11 call to have someone with them as a psychologist or psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down.

We have to have community policing like we had before where the officers get to know the people in the communities. That’s when crime went down, it didn’t go up. It went down. And so we have to be…

That is not true. Look, that’s not true. Not true.

Look, we don’t have time to do anything except [uttered something] 

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I don’t hold public office. Now I am a former vice president. I’ve made it clear. I’ve made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted and anyone who committed it should be prosecuted.

They can in fact take care of it if he just stay out of the way.

Here’s the thing”

And by the way, his own former spokesperson said, 

And by the way his own former spokesperson said, “Riots and chaos and violence help he cause.” 3 I do 5 I think it–Kelly Anne Conway. She said that. And so, here’s the point. The point is that.

That’s what he is keeps trying to rile everything up. He doesn’t He doesn’t want to calm things down instead of going in and talking to people and saying, “Let’s get everybody together. Figure out how to deal with this.” What’s he do? He just pours gasoline in the fire constantly and every single solitary time.

Do it.

Say it, do it. Say it. Proud Boys

[Laughed] He’s own FBI Director said unlike white supremacist, Antifa is an idea not an organization, not a militia-

That’s what HIS FBI-

His FBI director said 6 Every body in your administration tells you the truth is a bad idea. You have no idea about anything.

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Under this president, we become weaker, sicker, poor, more divided and more violent. When I was vice president, we inherited a recession. I was asked to fix it. I did. We left him a booming economy and he caused the recession. With regard to being weaker, the fact is that I’ve gone head to head with Putin and made it clear to him we’re not going to take any of his stuff.

He’s Putin’s puppy. He still refuses to even say anything to Putin about the bounty on the heads of American soldiers. By the way, my son

He never keeps his word.

Can you get back 30 seconds? So thirdly, we’re poor. The billionaires have gotten much more wealthy by a tune of over $3- $400 billion more just since COVID. 

You in the home, you got less you’re in more trouble than you were before. In terms of being more violent. When we were in office there were 15% less violence in America than there is today. He’s President United States. It’s on his watch. And with regard to more divided the nation, it can’t stay divided. We can’t be this way. And speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and and and  just being suckers. My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Brown Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a Patriot and the people left behind

there were heroes. And I resent-

I’m talking about my son, Beau Biden, you’re talking about Hunter?

He was not dishonorably discharged.

Not true That is simply not true My son, my son, like a lot of people at home had a drug problem. He’s overtaking it. He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it. And I’m proud of him, I’m proud of my son. But he wasn’t given tens of millions of dollars, that was totally discre-

Totally discredited. Totally discredited. So do I

That is not true. That report is totally discredited Mitt Romney on that committee said it wasn’t worth taxpayer’s money. That report was written for political reason. So would I.

He’s absolutely wrong, number one. Number two, if in fact, during our administration in the recovery act, I was in charge able to bring down the cost of renewable energy to cheaper than are as cheap as coal and gas and oil. Nobody’s going to build another coal fired plant in America. No one’s going to build another uh uh coal fire plant in America. They’re going to move to renewable energy. Number one, number two, we’re going to make sure that we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that’s run on their electric vehicles.

Making sure that we can do that, we’re going to put 500,000 charging stations in all of the highways that we’re going to be building in the future. We’re going to build a economy that in fact is going to provide for the ability of us to take 4 million buildings and make sure that they

in fact are weatherized in a way that in fact will they’ll emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. There’s so many things that we can do now to create thousands and thousands of jobs. We can get to net zero, in terms of energy production, by 2035. Not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs, creating millions of good-paying jobs. Not 15 bucks an hour, but prevailing wage, by having a new infrastructure that in fact, is green. And the first thing I will do, I will rejoin the Paris Accord. I will join the Paris Accord because with us out of it, look what’s happening. It’s all falling apart. And talk about someone who has no relationship with foreign policy. The rainforests of Brazil are being torn down, are being ripped down. More carbon is absorbed in that rainforest than every bit of carbon that’s emitted in the United States.

Instead of doing something about that, I would be gathering up and making sure we had the countries of the world coming up with $20 billion, and say, “Here’s $20 billion. Stop, stop tearing down the forest. And If you don’t, then you’re going to have significant economic consequences. Well he hadn’t drawn a line, he

He wants to make sure that methane’s not a problem. You can now emit more methane without it being a problem. Methane. This is a guy who says that you don’t have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. This is the guy who says that,

It’s all true. And here’s the deal-

I’m talking about the Biden plan

No.

That is not-

Not true-

Not true

Not true

That is simply not the case-

What it’s going to do, it’s going to create thousands and millions of jobs. Good paying jobs. He doesn’t know how to do that. The fact is, it’s going to create millions of good paying jobs, and these tax incentives for people to weatherize, which he wants to get rid of.

It’s going to make the economy much safer. Look how much we’re paying now to deal with the hurricanes, deal with… By the way, he has an answer for hurricanes. He said, maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them, and they may- Yeah he did say that Here’s the deal

… we’re going to be in a position where we can create hard, hard, good jobs by making sure the environment is clean, and we all are in better shape. We spend billions of dollars now, billions of dollars, on floods, hurricanes, rising seas. We’re in real trouble. Look what’s happened just in the Midwest with these storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties in Iowa. They didn’t happen before. They’re because of global warming. We make up 15% of the world’s problem. But the rest of the world, we’ve got to get them to come along. That’s why we have to get back into the Paris Accord.

for forty seven- 

That is not my plan The Green New Deal is not my plan. [uttered something]

That is not true. I-did not say that. Play it

The final question is, I can’t remember which of all his rantings

[uttered something]

The economy…

The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward. We’re not going to build plants that, in fact, are great

Pardon me?

No, I don’t support it. I support the Biden Plan I support the Biden Plan that I put forward. The Biden Plan, which is different than what he calls the radical Green New Deal

Prepare to let people vote. They should go to iwillvote.com, decide how they’re going to vote, when they’re going to vote, and what means by which they’re going to vote. His own Homeland Security director, and as well as the FBI director, says that there is no evidence at all that mail-in ballots are a source of being manipulated and cheating. They said that. The fact is that here are going to be millions of people because of COVID that are going to be voting by mail-in ballots like he does, by the way. He sits behind the Resolute Desk and sends his ballot to Florida, number one. Number two, we’re going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because there are enough poll watchers are there to make sure they can socially distance. The polls are open on time, and the polls stay open until the votes are counted. And this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he’s trying to confu- to scare people into thinking that it’s not going to be legitimate. Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. Vote, vote, vote. If you’re able to vote early in your state, vote early. If you’re able to vote in person, vote in person.

Vote whatever way is the best way for you, because you will… He cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. And in terms of whether or not… When the votes are counted and they’re all counted, that will be accepted. If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that’ll be accepted. But by the way, if in fact he says, he’s not sure what he’s going to accept. Well, let me tell you something, it doesn’t matter, because if we get the votes, it’s going to be all over. He’s going to go. He can’t stay in power. It won’t happen. It won’t happen

So vote. Just make sure you understand, you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. Is it going to change, or are you going to get four more years of these lies?

There is no…no. There is no evidence for that. There is no evidence to that. In five states, we had…Five states have had mail-in ballots for the last decade or more. Five, including two Republican states. And you don’t have to solicit the ballot. It’s sent to you. It’s sent to your home. What they’re saying is that it has to be a postmark by  the time, by electiond day. If it dodent’ get in by the 7th, 8th, 9th, it still should be counted. He’s just afraid of counting the votes

I’m concerned that any court would settle this because because here’s the deal. When you m-m-when you get a ballot and you fill it out, you’re supposed to have an affidavit. If you didn’t know, you have someone say that, this is me. You should be able to, if in fact you can verify that’s you before the ballot is thrown out, that’s sufficient to be able to count the ballot because someone made a mistake and not dotting the correct I. Who they voted for, testify, say who they voted for, say it’s you. That is totally legitimate. [uttered something]

[uttered something] Yes

Yes. And here’s the deal. We count the ballots, as you pointed out. Some of these ballots in some states can’t even be opened until election day. And if there’s thousands of ballots, it’s going to take time to do it. And by the way, our military… They’ve been voting by ballots since the end of the Civil War, in effect. And that’s what’s going to happen. Why is it, for them, somehow not fraudulent. It’s the same process. It’s honest. No one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail-in ballots, that somehow it’s a fraudulent process.

He has no idea what he’s talking about. Here’s the deal. The fact is, I will accept it, and he will too. You know why? Because once the winner is declared after all the ballots are counted, all the votes are counted, that’ll be the end of it. That’ll be the end of it. And if it’s me, in fact, fine. If it’s not me, I’ll support the outcome. And I’ll be a president, not just for the Democrats. I’ll be a president for Democrats and Republicans. And this guy-

What Did His Words Amount To?

Former Vice President Joe Biden spoke a total of 6,915 words.

  • 2,803 of his words, or approximately 41% of what JB said was a policy attack against President Donald Trump.
  • 986 of his words, or approximately 14% of what JB said was a personal attack against the President.
  • 347 of his words, or approximately .05% of what JB said was about his record.
  • 1085 of his words, or approximately 16% of what JB said was a statement about his policies.
  • 692 of his words, or approximately 2% of what JB said was a personal value or belief statement.
  • I think it’s also important to note that almost 27% of what JB said in the debate did not add to the debate because it did not declare any policies, records, personal values, or even attacks.

To Sum Up His Policy Statements

Below is a list of what former Vice President Joe Biden declared he would do. This is not an analysis of what is true or false or of what each statement actually means. It’s only a list of what he said.

  1. He will expand Obamacare and increase it.
  2. He will allow for private insurance.
  3. Obamacare will only be for those who are so poor they can get Medicaid or Medicare (or one or the other, it was hard to tell what he was saying).
  4. He would give businesses money for PPE and sanitation.
  5. He is going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts and invest in people who “need” help with the tax money (redistributing wealth).
  6. His 3 trillion dollar Biden Green New Deal plan would create 1 trillion in economic growth and create 7 million jobs.
  7. He said the Green New Deal will pay for itself.
  8. He will strengthen our trade with China, especially since they perfected the art of steel.
  9. The 1 trillion economic growth would be because he would only buy American–every penny of the 600 billion America spends on steel ships and buildings will be from American companies only.
  10. Corporate tax will be 28%.
  11. He will gather civil rights leaders and police officers at the White House to work things out.
  12. He is planning to have psychologists or psychiatrists (he wasn’t sure which one) follow police on calls to talk people down.
  13. He won’t allow any more coal fire plants in America, they will move to renewable energy.
  14. The federal fleet will be all electric cars under his administration.
  15. He’s going to put in 500,000 charging stations for electric cars across the highways.
  16. He is going to have 4 million buildings torn down or re-structured to be energy-efficient.
  17. He will rejoin the Paris Accord.
  18. He will send $20 billion to Brazil for the rain forest.

Vice Presidential Debate, Play by Play

The Vice Presidential debate was a little easier to watch multiple times for two reasons. First, Susan Page kept up the debate structure and was a more professional moderator than Chris Wallace. Second, Senator Kamala Harris and Vice President Mike Pence did less interrupting and less talking over each other than former Vice President Joe Biden and President Trump. Still, a careful analysis of this debate, there were issues.

Below, I have laid out the details of the debate without the content. The content can sometimes distract from other issues going on. How often was the moderator interrupting each candidate, and did she give them equal time? When a candidate appeared to be speaking over-time, were they really, or were they being cut off early? How much solo camera time did each candidate get? All of those details are analyzed, segment-by-segment below, and summed up at the end.

A Note About Initials vs Names

I do not mean any disrespect by calling Vice President Mike Pence “MP” or Senator Kamala Harris “KH.” I respect their titles and their lives of public service, I only hoped to save a little space and make this post less cluttered.

Segment One: COVID-19

What would a Biden administration do in January and February that a Trump administration wouldn’t do? Would you impose new lockdowns for businesses and schools and hotspots, a federal mandate to wear masks?

SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 2:03
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
KH: Spoke 5 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds, 3 seconds
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 20 seconds

Why is the US death toll, as a percentage of our population, higher than that of almost every other wealthy country?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 2:04
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
MP: Spoke 8 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 3 seconds, 4 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 42 seconds

KH Responded: 44 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
KH: Spoke 27 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 6 seconds, 14 seconds
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 7 seconds

MP Responded: 59 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 4x
MP: Spoke 23 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 6 seconds, 2 seconds, 11 seconds
KH Interruptions: 2
Camera on MP’s Face: 14 seconds

How can you expect Americans to follow the administration’s safety guidelines to protect themselves from COVID when you at the White House have not been doing so?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 54 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 5x
MP: Spoke 43 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds, 11 seconds, 3 seconds, 22 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 34 seconds

KH Interrupted/Responded: 49 seconds
SP: (Time’s Up) 2x
KH: Spoke 6 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 6 seconds
MP Interruptions: 2
Camera on KH’s Face: 0

If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it, and would you take it?

SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 12 seconds
SP: (Time’s Up) 0x
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 18 seconds

MP time to respond?

SEGMENT ONE TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 2
MP: 2
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 4
MP: 3
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 2
MP: 2
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 3:48
MP: 3:57
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: 6.2 seconds
MP: 7.11 seconds
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: 32 seconds
MP: 41 seconds
Camera on Face
KH: 45 seconds
MP: 1:30
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 4:26
MP: 5:11

Segment Two: Vice Presidency


Vice President Pence, have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with President Trump about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability? And if not, do you think you should?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 2:01
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 4x
MP: Spoke 10 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds, 3 seconds, 3 seconds
KH Interruptions: 1
Camera on KH’s Face: 2 seconds
Camera on MP’s Face: 22 seconds

SP: Same question
KH Answered: 2:05
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 18 seconds

And my question to each of you in turn is, is this information voters deserve to know?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 1:20
SP: Never Interrupted
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

SP: Same question
KH Answered: 1:22
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 1
Camera on KH’s Face: 13 seconds

MP Interrupted/Responded: 45 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
MP: Spoke 13 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 5 seconds, 5 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 2 seconds
Camera on MP’s Face: 3 seconds

SEGMENT TWO TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 2
MP: 2
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 2
MP: 3
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 1
MP: 1
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 3:27
MP: 4:06
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: N/A
MP: 3.6 seconds
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: 0
MP: 23 seconds
Camera on Face
KH: 35 seconds
MP: 25 seconds
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 3:27
MP: 4:29

Segment Three: Economy

Would raising taxes put the recovery at risk?

SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 1:56
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 34 seconds

Should Americans be braced for an economic comeback that is going to take not months, but a year or more?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 2:05
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
MP: Spoke 6 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 4 seconds, 2 seconds
KH Interruptions: 2
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

KH Responded: 1:58
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 5x
KH: Spoke 50 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 9 seconds, 2 seconds, 15 seconds, 7 seconds
MP Interruptions: 4
Camera on KH’s Face: 0

MP Responded: 1:00
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 2x
MP: Spoke 9 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 9 seconds
KH Interruptions: 1
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

SEGMENT THREE TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 2
MP: 2
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 2
MP: 2
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 3
MP: 4
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 3:54
MP: 3:05
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: 8.25 seconds
MP: 5 seconds
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: 50 seconds
MP: 15 seconds
Camera on Face
KH: 34 seconds
MP: 0 seconds
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 4:44
MP: 3:20

Segment Four: Climate Change

Do you believe as the scientific community has concluded, that man-made climate change has made wildfires bigger, hotter, and more deadly and have made hurricanes wetter, slower and more damaging?

SP: Asked question
MP: Answered: 2:05
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 6x
MP: Spoke 17 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 4 seconds, 1 second, 2 seconds, 4 seconds, 4 seconds
KH Interruptions: 1
Camera on MP’s Face: 47 seconds

What exactly would be the stance of a Biden-Harris administration toward the Green New Deal?


SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 2:15
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 1
Camera on KH’s Face: 27 seconds

Vice President Pence, do you believe that climate change poses an existential threat?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 1:21
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 5x
MP: Spoke 15 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds, 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 6 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

KH Interrupted/Responded: 1:29
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 2
Camera on KH’s Face: 7 seconds

MP Responded: 30 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 5x
MP: Spoke 19 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 5 seconds, 6 seconds, 2 seconds, 5 seconds
KH Interruptions: 1
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

KH Interrupted/Responded: 15 seconds
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 0

SEGMENT FOUR TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 1
MP: 2
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 3
MP: 3
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 2
MP: 3
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 3:59
MP: 3:56
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: N/A
MP: 3.5 seconds
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: N/A
MP: 51 seconds
Camera on Face
KH: 34 seconds
MP: 47 seconds
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 3:59
MP: 4:47

Segment Five: China

Vice President Pence, how would you describe our fundamental relationship with China? Competitors? Adversaries? Enemies?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 2:04
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) x4
MP: Spoke 13 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds, 3 seconds, 4 seconds
KH Interruptions: 1
Camera on MP’s Face: 16 seconds

SP: Asked same question
KH Answered: 2:04
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 1
Camera on KH’s Face: 41 seconds

What is your definition of the role of American leadership in 2020?

SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 2:06
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 58 seconds

MP Responded: 1:59
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 7x
MP: Spoke 35 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 12 seconds, 3 seconds, 4 seconds, 5 seconds, 4 seconds, 3 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

KH Responded: 2:02
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 1x
KH: Spoke 16 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 16 seconds (only interrupted once)
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 0

MP interrupted and tried to respond, SP said:

“I’m sorry sir, you’ve had more time than she has.”

Total scores so far, in this segment, MP had been given 4 minutes and 3 seconds plus spoke over time for 48 seconds, for a total of 4 minutes 51 seconds to speak about China/Foreign Relations. The camera was on his face for a total of 16 seconds. KH had been allowed to speak for 6 minutes and 12 seconds and spoke over for 16 seconds, giving her a total of 6 minutes and 28 seconds, with the camera on her face for 1 minute 49 seconds!

TOTAL times in the debate at this point had added up to:

KH Speaking Time 23:04
MP Speaking Time 22:38

MP had not had more time either in the segment or in the entire debate.

MP Interruption/Responded: 47 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 7x
SP Interruption Spacing: 9 seconds, 18 seconds, 3 seconds, 3 seconds, 2 seconds, 3 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 23 seconds

SEGMENT FIVE TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 2
MP: 1
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 3
MP: 3 (MP had to force his 3rd speaking opportunity)
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 1
MP: 1
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 6:12
MP: 4:03
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: 16 seconds
MP: 5.2 seconds
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: 16 seconds
MP: 1:35
Camera on Face
KH: 1:49
MP: 29 seconds
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 6:28
MP: 5:38

Segment 6: Supreme Court

If Roe V Wade is overturned, what would you want Indiana to do? Would you want your home state to ban all abortions?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 2:02
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 4x
MP: Spoke 10 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 3 seconds, 5 seconds, 2 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 28 seconds

If Roe V Wade is overturned, what would you want California to do? Would you want your home state to enact no restrictions on access to abortion?

SP: Asked question
KH: Answered: 2:12
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 4x
KH: Spoke 12 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 3 seconds, 5 seconds, 2 seconds
MP Interruptions: 1
Camera on KH’s Face: 23 seconds

So, tell us specifically, how would your administration protect Americans with preexisting conditions to have access to affordable insurance if the Affordable Care Act is struck down?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 1:36
SP: Never Interrupted
KH Interruptions: 1
Camera on MP’s Face: 45 seconds

Then, it went back and forth for a bit and SP did not interrupt much. It went like this: Harris 7 seconds, Harris 1 minute, Pence 7 seconds, Harris 2 seconds, Pence 2 seconds, Harris 2 seconds, Pence 22 seconds, Harris 52 seconds, Pence 7 seconds, with SP interrupting to end it 3 times during MP’s final 7 seconds. Both candidates interrupted each other during all but one speaking moment. The totals for this section are:
KH 2:53
MP 38 seconds

Interruptions
KH 3
MP 4

SEGMENT SIX TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 1
MP: 2
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 5
MP: 6
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 4
MP: 5
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 5:05
MP: 4:09
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: 3.33
MP: 3.33
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: 12 seconds
MP: 17 seconds
Camera on Face
KH: 23 seconds
MP: 1:13
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 5:27
MP: 4:26

Segment 7: Racial Justice

Senator Harris, in the case of Breonna Taylor was justice done?

SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 2:05
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 6x
KH: Spoke 14 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds, 3 seconds, 2 seconds, 4 seconds, 2 seconds
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 2:20

Please note the camera time here–longer than any camera time ever used on Pence, in the whole debate. this seems intentional.

SP: Same question
MP: 2:08
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 6x
MP: Spoke 18 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 3 seconds, 4 seconds, 4 seconds, 2 seconds, 5 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 29

KH Interrupted/Responded: 43 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
KH: Spoke 8 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 7 seconds, 4 seconds
MP Interruptions: 3
Camera on KH’s Face: 0

MP Responded: 51 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 7x
MP: Spoke 45 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 7 seconds, 5 seconds, 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 4 seconds, 2 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 0

KH Interrupted/Responded: 27 seconds
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 3x
KH: Spoke 56 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 4 seconds, 52 seconds
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 21 seconds

SEGMENT SEVEN TOTALS

Questions Asked
KH: 1
MP: 1
Speaking Opportunities
KH: 3
MP: 2
Interrupted Opponent
KH: 0
MP: 3
Time Allowed to Speak before SP Interrupted
KH: 3:15
MP: 2:59
Average Space Between SP’s Interruptions
KH: 8.8 seconds
MP: 3.9 seconds
Extra Speaking Time After SP Interrupted
KH: 1:18
MP: 1:03
Camera on Face
KH: 2:41
MP: 29 seconds
Total Speaking Time in Segment
KH: 4:33
MP: 4:02

Segment 8: The Election

If your ticket wins and president Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, what steps would you and vice president Biden then take? What would happen next?

SP: Asked question
KH Answered: 2:01
SP: Never Interrupted
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 2:07

If vice president Biden is declared the winner and president Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, what would be your role and responsibility as vice president? What would you personally do?

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 2:12
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 2
MP: Spoke 3 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 2 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 1:13

Segment 9: Brecklynn

SP: Asked question
MP Answered: 1:33
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 2x
MP: Spoke 6 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 4 seconds
KH Interruptions: 0
Camera on MP’s Face: 1:35

SP: Same question
KH Answered: 1:35
SP: “Thank you” (Time’s Up) 1x
KH: Spoke 4 more seconds
SP Interruption Spacing: 4 seconds
MP Interruptions: 0
Camera on KH’s Face: 1:39

Totals, Summed Up

Questions Asked
KH: 13
MP: 14

Speaking Opportunities
24 each

Note that when one candidate has less questions asked of them and the same amount of speaking opportunities, this means that they get extra time to speak freely without an agenda. It is an advantage to be asked fewer questions but still be given opportunity to “respond.”

Interrupted Opponent
KH 13
MP 19

Time Allowed to Speak Before Being Interrupted

It appeared as though the Vice President was speaking over-time quite a bit. I wondered if that perception was accurate. This is what I found:

Main Questions

In the question about the Vice Presidency, MP was interrupted by SP when he had spoken 4 minutes less than KH, and KH was not interrupted at all. KH spoke 2 minutes and 5 seconds with no interruptions, MP spoke 2 minutes 1 second and was interrupted.

On Climate Change, KH was allowed to speak for 2 minutes 15 seconds without SP interrupting her once.

In fact, if MP ever spoke 1 second over the 2 minute mark, he was always interrupted. KH was allowed to pass the 2 minute mark 5 times out of 8 questions without being interrupted by SP at all!!

In the end, both candidates got about equal time to answer the main questions, though KH got 2 seconds more.

Discussion Time

When responding to something KH had said, the longest time MP spoke without being interrupted by SP was 22 seconds. If his response was any longer, he was always interrupted. In contrast, KH was able to respond without interruption for 1 minute 1 second, 1 minute 29 seconds, 1 minute 7 seconds, and 52 seconds.

In the end, KH got 16 minutes of discussion time, and MP got 13 minutes 36 seconds.

If Vice President Mike Pence Didn’t Speak Over Time

If MP did not speak overtime, he would have had a total of 31 minutes, 50 seconds of speaking time in the entire debate, and KH would have had 34 minutes and 16 seconds. This may not seem like a lot, but when we are talking about 45 second to 2 minute time chunks of speaking in a debate, an over 3 minute deficit actually adds up to a lot of missed opportunity.

Even with MP’s speaking over time (which we’ve established was not always over-time, it was just called sooner than KH’s time), his total speaking time was less:

Final Speaking Time Totals


KH 36 minutes 45 seconds
MP 35 minutes 45 seconds

Do you see that MP had to speak over time in order to have equal time? And even then, he had 1 minute less time than KH.

The Spacing Between Interruptions

SP would interrupt a candidate with a “Thank you,” quite politely (even if it wasn’t fair, she was a much more polite and competent moderator than Chris Wallace). Then she would wait a little while and interrupt again. I wanted to find out if she gave one candidate more space between interruptions. The averages are as follows:

KH was allowed to speak 8.9 seconds before being interrupted again
MP was allowed to speak 4.6 seconds before being interrupted again

This makes a big difference in the audience’s perception of the candidates, if they hear “Thank you” more times after one candidate speaks than they do of the other.

Camera Time

We are visual people! What we see matters! Young men saw the USS Arizona being bombed on TV and then voluntarily signed up to potentially sacrifice their own lives in World War II. What we see impacts us a lot!

I think it is really important to note that KH got 12 minutes of camera time when it was only her on the screen, and MP only got 8 minutes. This is a big deal!

Overall

I do feel that Susan Page was a much better moderator than Chris Wallace, but this debate was not entirely fair. When one candidate gets interrupted much more often, and more quickly than another, it deceives the audience and makes them believe that the candidate is less respectful of the time and rules. Also, when one candidate is shown on camera FOUR minutes more than the other, that’s a big deal! I’m sad to see so much trickery going on, and I hope the American people can see through it. The big question is, do they really feel like they have to cheat to win?


What did Vice President Mike Pence Say in the Debate?

As usual, I like to analyze what each candidate said. In this case, I have included Vice President Mike Pence’s words from the debate here and color-coded them so that we can clearly see what he said.

Key

This is how I have coded his words:

Bold, bigger letters are questions from Susan Page.


Orange letters are attacks against the policies of former Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Kamala Harris.
Yellow letters are personal attacks against either Senator Kamala Harris or former Vice President Joe Biden. These have no place in a civil debate.
Purple letters are statements about his record, President Trump’s records, or about their values or beliefs.
Blue letters are the most important, because those are policy statements or “We WILL ___” statements. These are the most significant words spoken in a debate. Sadly, there have been few of these uttered in either of the two 2020 presidential debates. Scroll below to see how few policy words were spoken.
Black letters are extra, they are not history records, policy statements or attacks. Sometimes, they are “thank you’s” or contain gestures. Often times, they are time-fillers in order to avoid the real question.

Did He Answer the Questions?

I think it is really important to look at his answers to the questions. He did not give a response to several of Susan Page’s questions, avoiding the topics completely.

What He Said:

Why is the US death toll, as a percentage of our population, higher than that of almost every other wealthy country? And you have two minutes to respond without interruption.

Susan, thank you. And I want to thank the Commission and the University of Utah for hosting this event. And Senator Harris, it’s a privilege to be on the stage with you. And our nation has gone through a very challenging time this year. But I want the American people to know that from the very first day, President Donald Trump has put the health of America first. Before there were more than five cases in the United States, all people who had returned from China, President Donald Trump did what no other American president had ever done. And that was, he suspended all travel from China, the second largest economy in the world. Now, Senator Joe Biden opposed that decision. He said it was xenophobic and hysterical. But I can tell you having led the white house coronavirus task force that that decision alone by President Trump bought us invaluable time to stand up the greatest national mobilization since World War Two.

And I believe it saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. Because with that time, we were able to reinvent testing. More than 115 million tests had been done to date. We were able to see to the delivery of billions of supplies, so our doctors and nurses had the resources support they needed. And we began, really, before the month of February we started to develop a vaccine and to develop medicines and therapeutics that have been saving lives all along the way. And under President Trump’s leadership, Operation Warp Speed, we believe we’ll have literally tens of millions of doses of a vaccine before the end of this year. The reality is, when you look at the Biden plan, it reads an awful lot like what President Trump, and I, and our task force has been doing every step of the way. And quite frankly, when I look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new PPE, developing a vaccine, it looks a little bit like plagiarism, which is something Joe Biden knows a little bit about. And I think the American people know that this is a president who has put the health-

[speaking over time] … of America first. And the American people, I believe with my heart, can be proud-

[speaking over time]… of the sacrifices they have made. It’s saved countless American lives-

Susan, I have to weigh in here-

I have to weigh in.

There’s not a day gone by that I haven’t thought of every American family that’s lost a loved one. And I want all of you to know that you’ll always be in our hearts and in our prayers. But when you say what the American people have done over these last eight months, hasn’t worked, that’s a great disservice to the sacrifices the American people have made-

But the reality… If I may finish, Senator. The reality is Dr. Fauci said everything that he told the president in the Oval Office, the president told the American. Now President Trump, I will tell you, has boundless confidence in the American people, and he always spoke with confidence that we’d get through this together. But when you say it hasn’t worked… When Dr. Fauci, and Dr. Birx, and our medical experts came to us in the second week of March, they said, if the president didn’t take the unprecedented step of shutting down roughly half of the American economy, that we could lose 2.2 million Americans. That’s the reality.

[speaking over time] They also said to us, if we did everything right, Susan, we could still lose more than 200,000 Americans.

[speaking over time] One life lost is too many, Susan. But the American people, I believe, deserve credit for the sacrifices that they have made, putting the health of their family and their neighbors first, our doctors, our nurses, our first responders.

[speaking over time] And I’m going to speak up on behalf of what the American people have done.

How can you expect Americans to follow the administration’s safety guidelines to protect themselves from COVID when you at the White House have not been doing so?

Well, the American people have demonstrated over the last eight months, that when given the facts, they’re willing to put the health of their families and their neighbors and people they don’t even know first. President Trump and I have great confidence in the American people and their ability to take that information and put it into practice. In the height of the epidemic when we were losing a heartbreaking number of 2,500 Americans a day, we surged resources to New Jersey and New York and New Orleans and Detroit. We told the American people what needed to be done, and the American people made the sacrifices. When the outbreak in the Sun Belt happened this summer, again, Americans stepped forward. But the reality is the work of the President of the United States goes on. A vacancy on the Supreme Court of the United States has come upon us, and the President introduced Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

If I may say, that Rose Garden event, been a great deal of speculation about it. My wife, Karen and I were there and honored to be there. Many of the people who were at that event, Susan, actually were tested for Coronavirus, and it was an outdoor event, which all of our scientists regularly and routinely advise. The difference here is President Trump and I trust the American people to make choices in the best interest of their health. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris consistently talk about mandates, and not just mandates with the Coronavirus, but a government takeover of healthcare, the Green New Deal, all government control. We’re about freedom and respecting the freedom of the American people.

Which we’ve always done.

Vice President Pence, have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with President Trump about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability? And if not, do you think you should? You have two minutes without interruption.

Well, Susan, thank you. Although, I would like to go back.

Well, thank you, but I would like to go back because the reality is that we’re going to have a vaccine, Senator, in record time. In unheard of time, in less than a year. We have five companies in phase three clinical trials. And we’re right now producing tens of millions of doses. So the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable. And Senator, I just ask you, stop playing politics with people’s lives. The reality is that we will have a vaccine, we believe, before the end of this year. And it will have the capacity to save countless American lives. And your continuous undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just, it’s unacceptable. And let me also say, the reality is, when you talk about failure in this administration, we actually do know what failure looks like in a pandemic.

It was 2009. The Swine flu arrived in the United States. Thankfully, it ended up not being as lethal as the Coronavirus. But before the end of the year, when Joe Biden was Vice President of the United States, not seven and a half million people contracted the Swine flu, 60 million Americans contracted the Swine flu. If the Swine flu had been as lethal as the Coronavirus in 2009 when Joe Biden was Vice President, we would have lost 2 million American lives. His own chief of staff, Ron Klain would say last year that it was pure luck that they did, “Everything possible wrong.” And we learned from that. They left the strategic national stockpile empty. They left an empty and hollow plan, but we still learn from it, and I think the American people, I’m going to say again, can be proud of what we have done. And Senator, please stop undermining confidence in a vaccine.

And in recent days, President Trump’s doctors have given misleading answers, or refused to answer basic questions about his health. And my question to each of you in turn is, is this information voters deserve to know? Vice President Pence, would you like to go first?

Well, Susan, thank you. And let me say on behalf of the President and the First Lady, how moved we’ve all been by the outpouring of prayers and concern for the President. And I do believe it’s emblematic of the prayers and the concern that have ushered forth for every American impacted by the Coronavirus. But the care of the President received at Walter Reed Hospital, the White House doctors was exceptional. And the transparency that they practiced all along the way will continue. The American people have a right to know about-

the health and well-being of their president, and we’ll continue to do that. But I’m just extremely grateful and was more than a little moved by the broad and bipartisan support. And Senator, I want to thank you and Joe Biden for your expressions and genuine concern. And I also want to congratulate you, as I did on that phone call, on the historic nature of your nomination.

I never expected to be on this stage four years ago, so I know the feeling, but the reality is we’ve got an election before the American people in the midst of this challenging year and the stakes have never been higher, but I think the choice has never been here.

[Interruption] Susan, Susan-

Well, look, I respect the fact that Joe Biden spent 47 years in public life. I respect your public service as well.

The American people have a president who was a businessman, he’s a job creator. Who’s paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes. He’s created tens of thousands of American jobs. And the President said those public reports are not accurate. And the President’s also released literally stacks of financial disclosures the American people can review just as the law allows. But the distinction here is that Joe Biden, 47 years in public service compared to President Donald Trump, who brought all of that experience four years ago-

[speaking over time] … and turned this economy around by cutting taxes, rolling back regulations-

[speaking over time] … unleashing American energy, fighting for free and fair trade. And all of that’s on the line-

[speaking over time] … if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are elected.

When President Trump and I took office, America had gone through the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression. It was when Joe Biden was vice president, they tried to tax and spend, and regulate, and bail our way back to a growing economy. President Trump cut taxes across the board. Despite what Senator Harris says, the average American family of four had $2,000 in savings in taxes. And with the rise in wages that occurred, most predominantly for blue collar, hardworking Americans, the average household income for a family of four increased by $4,000 following President Trump’s tax cuts. But America, you just heard Senator Harris tell you, on day one, Joe Biden’s going to raise your taxes. It’s really remarkable to think-

I mean, right after a time where we’re going through a pandemic that lost 22 million jobs at the height, we’ve already added back 11.6 million jobs because we had a president who cut taxes, rolled back regulation, unleashed American energy, fought for free and fair trade and secured four trillion dollars from the Congress of the United States to give direct payments to families, save 50 million jobs through the Paycheck Protection Program. We literally have spared no expense to help the American people and the American worker through this. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to raise taxes. They want to bury our economy under a two trillion dollar Green New Deal, which you were one of the original co-sponsors of in the United States Senate. They want to abolish fossil fuels, and ban fracking, which would cost hundreds of thousands of American jobs all across the heartland. And Joe Biden wants to go back to the economic surrender to China. When we took office, half of our international trade deficit was with China alone. And Joe Biden wants to repeal all of the tariffs that President Trump put into effect to fight for American jobs and American workers. Joe Biden says democracy is on the ballot. Make no mistake about it, the American economy, the American comeback is on the ballot with four more years of growth and opportunity and four more years of President Donald Trump,

[speaking over time] 2021 is going to be the biggest economic year in this country.

[interruption] He said he’s going to repeal the Trump tax cuts.

The important thing is you said the truth. Joe Biden has said it twice in the debate last week that he’s going to repeal the Trump tax cuts. That was tax cuts that gave the average working family $2,000 in a tax break every single year-

[interruption] Senator, that’s the math.

[interruption] Is he the only going to repeal part of the Trump tax cuts?

[interruption] Please.

[interruption] Susan, please.

[interruption] Not so.

Well. I hope we have a chance to talk about healthcare because Obamacare was a disaster, and the American people remember it well. And President Trump and I have a plan to improve healthcare and protect preexisting conditions for every American. But look, Senator Harris, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. You yourself said on multiple occasions when you were running for president, that you would ban fracking. Joe Biden looked at a supporter in the eye and pointed and said, “I guarantee, I guarantee that we will abolish fossil fuels.”

They have a $2 trillion version of the Green New Deal, Susan, that your newspaper, USA Today, said really wasn’t that very different from the original Green New Deal. More taxes, more regulation, banning fracking, abolishing fossil fuel, crushing American energy and economic surrender to China is a prescription for economic decline. President Trump and I will keep America growing, the V-shape recovery that’s underway right now will continue with four more years of President Donald Trump

Do you believe as the scientific community has concluded, that man-made climate change has made wildfires bigger, hotter, and more deadly and have made hurricanes wetter, slower and more damaging? You have two minutes uninterrupted.

Thank you, Susan. Well, first, I’m very proud of our record on the environment, on conservation. According to all of the best estimates, our air and land are cleaner than any time ever recorded. Our water is among the cleanest in the world. And just a little while ago, the president signed the Outdoors Act. It’s the largest investment in our public lands and public parks in 100 years. So President Trump has made a commitment to conservation and to the environment.

Now with regard to climate change, the climate is changing, but the issue is what’s the cause and what do we do about it? President Trump has made it clear that we’re going to continue to listen to the science. Now Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would put us back in the Paris Climate Accord. They’d impose the Green New Deal, which would crush American energy, would increase the energy costs of American families in their homes, and literally would crush American jobs.

And President Trump and I believe that the progress that we have made in a cleaner environment has been happening precisely because we have a strong, free market economy. What’s remarkable is the United States has reduced CO2 more than the countries that are still in the Paris Climate Accord, but we’ve done it through innovation. And we’ve done it through natural gas and fracking, which Senator, the American people can go look at the record. I know Joe Biden says otherwise now, as you do, but the both of you repeatedly committed to abolishing fossil fuel and banning of fracking.

And so by creating the kind of American innovation, we’re actually steering toward a stronger and better environment. With regard to wildfires, President Trump and I believe that forest management has to be front and center. And even Governor Gavin Newsom from your state has agreed, we’ve got to work on forest management. And with regard to hurricanes, the National Oceanic Administration tells us that actually as difficult as they are, there are no more hurricanes today than there were 100 years ago-

[speaking over time] … but many of the climate alarmists-

[speaking over time] … use hurricanes and wildfires to try and sell the goods of a Green New Deal. And President Trump and I are going to always put-

[speaking over time] … American jobs and American workers first.

Vice President Pence, do you believe that climate change poses an existential threat?

As I said, Susan, the climate is changing. We’ll follow the science. But once again, Senator Harris is denying the fact that they’re going to raise taxes on every American. Joe Biden said twice in the debate last week, that on day one, he was going to repeal the Trump tax cuts. Those tax cuts delivered $2,000 in tax relief to the average family of four across America. And with regard to banning fracking, I just recommend that people look at the record. You yourself said repeatedly that you would ban fracking. You were the first Senate co-sponsor of the Green New Deal. And while Joe Biden denied the green new deal, Susan, thank you for pointing out. The Green New Deal is on their campaign website.

And as USA TODAY said, it’s essentially the same plan as you co-sponsored with AOC when she submitted it in the Senate. And you just heard the Senator say that she’s going to resubmit America to the Paris climate accord. Look, the American people have always cherished our environment and will continue to cherish it. We’ve made great progress reducing CO2 emissions through American innovation and the development of natural gas through fracking. We don’t need a massive $2 trillion Green New Deal that would impose all new mandates on American businesses and American families.

[speaking over time] Joe Biden wants us to retrofit-

[speaking over time] Four million business-

[speaking over time] Buildings. It makes no sense. It will cost jobs. President Trump-

[speaking over time] He’s going to put America first. He’s going to put jobs first and we’re going to take care of our environment and follow the science.

Well, I’d love to respond. Look, lost the trade war with China? Joe Biden never fought it. Joe Biden has been a cheerleader for communist China over the last several decades. And again, Senator Harris, you’re entitled to your opinion. You’re not entitled to your own facts. When Joe Biden was vice-president, we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs. And president Obama said they were never coming back. He said, we needed a magic wand to bring them back. In our first three years after we cut taxes-

[speaking over time] Roll back regulation, unleashed American energy. This administration saw 500,000 manufacturing-

[speaking over time] Jobs created, and that’s exactly the kind of growth we’re going to continue to see as we bring our nation through-

[speaking over time] This pandemic.

[speaking over time] A Green New Deal-

[speaking over time] You’re passing new mandates, your Paris Climate Accord. It’s going to kill jobs this time, just like it killed jobs-

Vice President Pence, how would you describe our fundamental relationship with China? Competitors? Adversaries? Enemies? You have two minutes.

Thank you, Susan. Well, before I leave that, let me speak to voting records if I can. Everybody knows that NAFTA costs literally thousands of American factories to close. We saw automotive jobs go South of the border. President Trump fought to renegotiate NAFTA. In the United States, Mexico and Canada the agreement is now the law of the land. American people deserve to know Senator Kamala Harris was one of only 10 members of the Senate to vote against the USMCA. It was a huge win for American auto workers. It was a huge win for American farmers, especially dairy in the upper Midwest. But Senator you said it didn’t go far enough on climate change, you put your radical environmental agenda ahead of American auto workers and a head of American jobs. I think the American people deserve to know that it’s probably why Newsweek magazine said that Kamala Harris was the most liberal member of the United States Senate in 2019, more liberal than Bernie Sanders, more liberal than any of the others in the United States Senate.

So now with regard to China, Susan first and foremost, China is to blame for the coronavirus and President Trump is not happy about it. He’s made that very clear, made it clear again today that China and the world health organization did not play straight with the American people. They did not let our personnel into China to get information on the Coronavirus until the middle of February. Fortunately, President Trump in dealing with China from the outset of this administration, standing up to China that had been taking advantage of America for decades in the wake of Joe Biden’s cheerleading for China. President Trump made that decision before the end of January to suspend all travel from China. And again, the American people deserve to know Joe Biden opposed President Trump’s decision to suspend all travel from China. He said it was hysterical. He said it was-

[speaking over time] The President Trump has stood up-

[speaking over time] To China. We’re going to continue to stand strong.

[speaking over time] We want to improve the relationship, but we’re going to level the playing field and we’re going to hold China accountable-

[speaking over time] for what they did to America with the coronavirus.

[interruption] Not true.

Thank you. Well, President Trump kept his word when we moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of the state of Israel. When Joe Biden was vice president, they promised to do that and they never did. We stood strong with our allies, but we’ve been demanding. NATO is now contributing more to our common defense than ever before thanks to President Trump’s leadership. We’ve strengthened our alliances across the Asia Pacific, and we’ve stood strong against those who would do us harm. When President Trump came into office, ISIS had captured an area of the middle East, the size of Pennsylvania, but President Trump unleashed the American military and our armed forces destroy the ISIS caliphate and took down their leader, al-Baghdadi without one American casualty. Al-Baghdadi was responsible for the death of thousands, but notably America’s hearts today are with the family of Kayla Mueller. Her parents, which are here with us tonight in Salt Lake City. Today, two of the ISIS killers responsible for Kayla Mueller’s murder were brought to justice in the United States.

Jihadi John was killed on the battlefield along with the other beetle. The reality is that when Joe Biden was vice president, we had an opportunity to save Kayla Mueller. Breaks my heart to reflect on it, but the military came into the oval office, presented a plan, they said they knew where Kayla was. Baghdadi had held her for 18 months, abused or mercilessly before they killed her, but when Joe Biden was Vice President they hesitated for a month, and when armed forces finally went in, it was clear she’d been moved two days earlier. And her family says with a heart that broke the heart of every American, that if president Donald Trump had been president, they believe Kayla would be alive today.

[speaking over time] But we we destroyed the ISIS caliphate and you talk about re-entering the Iran nuclear deal. I mean the last administration transferred $1.8 billion to the leading state sponsor of terrorism.

[speaking over time] President Donald Trump got us out of the deal-

[speaking over time] … And when Qassem Soleimani was traveling to Baghdad-

[speaking over time] … To do harm to Americans, President Donald Trump took him out-

[speaking over time] And America is safer, our allies are safer and the American people know president Donald Trump will never hesitate to take action

[interruption] I really have to respond to that. She has-

[interruption] Well, I’ve got to have more than that. Look-

Slanders against President Donald Trump regarding men and women of our armed forces are absurd.

My son is in captain in the United States Marine Corps. My son-in-law’s deployed in the United States Navy. I can assure all of you with sons and daughters serving in our military, President Donald Trump, not only respects, but reveres all of those who serve in our armed forces and any suggestion, otherwise is ridiculous. Let me also say the American people deserve to know-Joe Biden

Go right ahead.

If Roe V Wade is overturned, what would you want Indiana to do? Would you want your home state to ban all abortions? You have two minutes uninterrupted.

Well, thank you for the question, but I’ll use a little bit of my time to respond to that very important issue before. The American people deserve to know Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian general was responsible for the death of hundreds of American service members. When the opportunity came, we saw him headed to Baghdad to kill more Americans. President Trump didn’t hesitate and Qassem Soleimani is gone, but you deserve to know the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris actually criticized the decision to take out Qassem Soleimani. it’s really inexplicably, but with regard to Joe Biden, it’s explainable because history records a Joe Biden actually opposed the raid against a Osama bin Ladin. It’s absolutely essential that we have a commander in chief who will not hesitate to act to protect American lives and to protect American service members, and that’s what you have in President Donald Trump.

Now with regard to the Supreme court of the United States, let me say that President Trump and I could not be more enthusiastic about the opportunity to see Amy Coney Barrett become Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and she’s a brilliant woman and she will bring a lifetime of experience and a sizeable American family to the Supreme court of the United States, and our hope is in the hearing next week, unlike Justice Cavenaugh received with treatment from you and others, that we hope she gets a fair hearing. And we particularly hope that we don’t see the kind of attacks on her Christian faith that we saw before. I mean, the Democrat chairman of the Judiciary Committee before, when Judge Barrett was being confirmed for the court of appeals, expressed concern that the dogma of her faith lived loudly and her, and Dick Durbin of Illinois said that it was a concern. Senator, I know one of our judicial nominees you actually attacked, because they were a member of the Catholic Knights of Columbus. Just because the Knights of Columbus holds pro-life views-

So, my hope is that when the hearing takes place that-

… That Judge Amy Coney Barrett will be respectfully voted and confirmed into the Supreme court of the United States.

So, tell us specifically, how would your administration protect Americans with preexisting conditions to have access to affordable insurance if the Affordable Care Act is struck down?

Well, thank you, Susan, but let me just say, addressing your very first question. I couldn’t be more proud to serve as vice president to a president who stands without apology for the sanctity of human life. I’m pro-life. I don’t apologize for it, and this is another one of those cases where there’s such a dramatic contrast. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris support taxpayer funding of abortion all the way up to the moment of birth. Late term abortion. They want to increase funding to Planned Parenthood of America. For our part, I would never presume how Judge Amy Coney Barrett would rule on the Supreme Court of the United States, but we’ll continue to stand strong for the right to life. When you speak about the Supreme Court, though, I think the American people really deserve an answer, Senator Harris. Are you and Joe Biden going to pack the court if Judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed? I mean, there’ve been 29 vacancies on the Supreme Court during presidential election years from George Washington to Barack Obama.

Presidents have nominated in all 29 cases, but your party is actually openly advocating, adding seats to the Supreme court, which has had nine seats for 150 years if you don’t get your way. This is a classic case of if you can’t win by the rules, you’re going to change the rules. Now you’ve refused to answer the question. Joe Biden has refused to answer the question-

So I think the American people would really like to know if Judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed at the Supreme Court of the United States. Are you and Joe Biden, if somehow you win this election, going to pack the Supreme Court to get your way?

No, I’d like you to answer the question.

People, Susan, are voting right now. They’d like to know if you and Joe Biden are going to pack the Supreme Court if you don’t get your way in this nomination.

You, once again, gave a non-answer. Joe Biden gave a non-answer.

You know the people deserve a straight answer, and if you haven’t figured it out yet, the straight answer is they are going to pack the Supreme Court if they somehow win this election. Men and women, I got to tell you people across this country, if you cherish our Supreme Court, if you cherish the separation of powers, you need to reject the Biden Harris ticket come November the third, reelect President Donald Trump, and we’ll stand by that separation powers in a nine seats Supreme Court.

Please.

I just want the record to reflect she never answered the question. Maybe in the next debate Joe Biden will answer the question, but I think the American people know the answer.

Well, our heart breaks for the loss of any innocent American life and the family of Breonna Taylor has our sympathies. But I trust our justice system, a grand jury that refuse the evidence. And it really is remarkable that as a former prosecutor, you would assume that an impaneled grand jury looking at all the evidence, got it wrong. But you’re entitled to your opinion, Senator. I think, and with regard to George Floyd, there’s no excuse for what happened to George Floyd. Justice will be served, but there’s also no excuse for the rioting and looting that followed. I mean, it really is astonishing. Flora Westbrook is with us here tonight in Salt Lake city. Just a few weeks ago, I stood at what used to be her salon, it was burned to the ground by rioters and looters. And Flora is still trying to put her life back together.

And I must tell you, this presumption that you hear consistently from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, that America is systemically racist, and that as Joe Biden said that he believes that law enforcement has an implicit bias against minorities is a great insult to the men and women who serve in law enforcement. And I want everyone to know who puts on the uniform of law enforcement every day, President Trump and I stand with you. And it is remarkable that when Senator Tim Scott tried to pass a police reform bill, brought together a group of Republicans and Democrats, Senator Harris, you got up and walked out of the room and then you filibustered Senator Tim Scott’s bill on the Senate floor that would have provided new accountability, new repeat resources. We don’t have to choose between supporting law enforcement, proving public safety and supporting our African-American neighbors and all of our minorities. Under President Trump’s leadership-

We’ll always stand with law enforcement and we’ll do what we’ve done-

From day one, it is improve the lives of African-Americans, record unemployment, record investments in education.

We’ll fight for school choice for all of

Not. Not true.

Thank you, Susan. I appreciate that very much. I think this is one of the things that makes people dislike the media so much in this country, Susan, is that you selectively edit just like Senator Harris did, comments that President Trump and I and others on our side made. I mean, Senator Harris conveniently omitted after the President made comments about people on either side of the debate over monuments, he condemned the KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists and has done so repeatedly. You’re concerned that he doesn’t condemn neo-Nazis. President Trump has Jewish grandchildren. His daughter and son-in-law are Jewish. This is a President who respects and cherishes all of the American people.

But you talk about having personally prosecuted. I’m glad you brought up your record, Senator.

I really need to make this point. When you were DA in San Francisco, when you left office, African-Americans were 19 times more likely to be prosecuted for minor drug offenses than whites and Hispanics. When you were Attorney General of California, you increased the disproportionate incarceration of blacks in California.

You did nothing on criminal justice reform in California. You didn’t lift a finger to pass the first step back on Capitol Hill. I mean, the reality is your record speaks for itself.

President Trump and I have fought for criminal justice before-

We fought for educational choice and opportunities for African-Americans and all of our members.

And we’ll do it for four more years.

If vice president Biden is declared the winner and president Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, what would be your role and responsibility as vice president? What would you personally do? You have two minutes.

Well, Susan, first and foremost, I think we’re going to win this election. Because while Joe Biden and Kamala Harris rattle off a long litany of the establishment in Washington, DC and establishment that Joe Biden’s been a part of for 47 years, president Donald Trump has as launched a movement of everyday Americans from every walk of life. And I have every confidence that the same Americans that delivered that historic victory in 2016, they see this president’s record where we rebuild our military. We revived our economy through tax cuts and rolling back regulation, fighting for fair trade, unleashing American energy. We appointed conservatives to our federal courts at every level. And we stood with the men and women of law enforcement every single day. And I think that movement of Americans has only grown stronger in the last four years.

But when you talk about accepting the outcome of the election, I must tell you. Senator, your party has spent the last three and a half years trying to overturn the results of the last election. It’s amazing. When Joe Biden was vice president of the United States, the FBI actually spied on president Trump and my campaign. I mean, there were documents released this week that the CIA actually made a referral to the FBI, documenting that those allegations were coming from the Hillary Clinton campaign. And of course, we’ve all seen the avalanche, what you put the country through for the better part of three years, until it was found that there was no obstruction, no collusion, case closed. And then Senator Harris, you and your colleagues in the Congress tried to impeach the president of the United States over a phone call. And now Hillary Clinton has actually said to Joe Biden that, in her words, under no circumstances, should he concede the election.

So let me just say, I think we’re going to win this election. President Trump and I are fighting every day in courthouses to prevent Joe Biden and Kamala Harris from changing the rules and creating this universal mail in voting that’ll create a massive opportunity for voter fraud. And we have a free and fair election. We know we’re going to have confidence in it. And I believe in all my heart that president Donald Trump is going to be reelected for four more years.

Brooklyn, it’s a wonderful question. And let me just commend you for taking an interest in public life. I started following the news when I was very young. And in America, we believe in a free and open exchange of debate. And we celebrate that. It’s how we’ve created literally the freest and most prosperous nation in the history of the world. I would tell you that, don’t assume that what you’re seeing on your local news networks is synonymous with the American people.

I look at the relationship between Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the late justice who we just lost from the Supreme Court, and the late justice Antonin Scalia. They were on polar opposites on the Supreme Court of the United States. One very liberal one, very conservative. But what’s been learned since her passing was the two of them and their families were the very closest of friends. Here in America, we can disagree. We can debate vigorously as Senator Harris and I have on this stage tonight. But when the debate is over, we come together as Americans. And that’s what people do, in big cities and small towns all across this country. So I just want to encourage you, Brooklyn. I want to tell you that we’re going to work every day to have government as good as our people, and the American people each and every day. Love a good debate. We love a good argument. But we always come together and are always there for one another in times of need. And we’ve especially learned that through the difficulties of this year.

What Did His Words Amount To?

In the end, Vice President Mike Pence spoke a total of 6,026 words.

  • 2,293 words, or approximately 38% of what Vice President Mike Pence said was a policy attack on either former Vice President Joe Biden or Senator Kamala Harris.
  • 44 words, or .07% of what Vice President Mike Pence said was a personal attack on either Vice President Joe Biden or Senator Kamala Harris.
  • 1,618 words, or 27% of what Vice President Mike Pence said was about his record, President Trump’s record, or about their personal values or beliefs.
  • 621 words, or 10% of what Vice President Mike Pence said was about their policy plans. So few words on the most important part of a presidential debate!

To Sum Up His Policy Statements

Below is a list of what Vice President Mike Pence declared they would do. This is not an analysis of what is true or false or of what each statement actually means. It’s only a list of what he said.

  1. They will have tens of millions of doses of a vaccine before the end of the year.
  2. They won’t be making public health mandates because they trust the American people to make choices in the best interest of their health.
  3. They want to respect the freedom of the American people.
  4. They will continue to share about the health and well-being of the president openly.
  5. The American economy will continue to grow and provide opportunities if President Trump is elected for four more years and 2021 will be the biggest economic year in this country.
  6. They will provide a plan for healthcare that includes protecting people with pre-existing conditions.
  7. They have made a commitment to the preservation of the environment and they will listen to the science.
  8. They will continue to encourage American innovation that helps the environment.
  9. They will make sure that forest management is improved to prevent future fires.
  10. They will always put America and American jobs and American workers first.
  11. They will keep increasing manufacturing jobs.
  12. They will continue to be strong against China. They want to improve the relationship with China but will also hold them accountable for Coronavirus.
  13. They will not hesitate to protect American lives and service members.
  14. They will continue to stand strong for the sanctity of human life.
  15. They will stand by the separation of powers in a nine seat Supreme Court.
  16. They will support and stand by law enforcement.
  17. They don’t have to choose between supporting law enforcement, providing public safety and supporting minorities.
  18. They will continue to improve the lives of African Americans through record unemployment and record investments in education.
  19. They will fight for education choice for African Americans and for everyone.

I’d like to go through these statements one-by-one in another post, because I think that they require some analysis and explanation. For now, I will leave you with his words. After reading his color-coded words, what are your thoughts?

What Did Senator Kamala Harris Say in the Debate?

As usual, I like to analyze what each candidate said. In this case, I have included Senator Kamala Harris’s words from the debate here and color-coded them so that we can clearly see what she said.

Key

This is how I have coded her words:

Bold, bigger letters are questions from Susan Page.


Orange letters are attacks against the policies of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence’s administration.
Yellow letters are personal attacks against either President Donald Trump or Vice President Mike Pence. These have no place in a civil debate.
Purple letters are statements about her record, former Vice President Joe Biden’s records, or about their values or beliefs.
Blue letters are the most important, because those are policy statements or “We WILL ___” statements. These are the most significant words spoken in a debate. Sadly, there have been few of these uttered in either of the two 2020 presidential debates. Scroll below to see how few policy words were spoken.
Black letters are extra, they are not history records, policy statements or attacks. Sometimes, they are “thank you’s” or contain gestures. Often times, they are time-fillers in order to avoid the real question.

Did She Answer the Questions?

I think it is really important to look at her answers to the questions. She did not give a response to several of Susan Page’s questions, avoiding the topics completely.

What She Said:

What would a Biden administration do in January and February that a Trump administration wouldn’t do? Would you impose new lockdowns for businesses and schools and hotspots, a federal mandate to wear masks? You have two minutes to respond without interruption.

Thank you, Susan. Well, the American people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country. And here are the facts. 210,000 dead people in our country in just the last several months. Over 7 million people who have contracted this disease. One in five businesses closed. We’re looking at frontline workers who have been treated like sacrificial workers. We are looking at over 30 million people, who in the last several months, had to file for unemployment. And here’s the thing, on January 28th, the vice president and the president were informed about the nature of this pandemic. They were informed that it’s lethal in consequence, that it is airborne, that it will affect young people, and that it would be contracted because it is airborne. And they knew what was happening, and they didn’t tell you.

Kamala Harris: (03:21)
Can you imagine if you knew on January 28th, as opposed to March 13th, what they knew, what you might’ve done to prepare? They knew, and they covered it up. The president said it was a hoax. They minimized the seriousness of it. The president said, “You’re on one side of his ledger if you wear a mask. You’re on the other side of his ledger if you don’t.” And in spite of all of that, today, they still don’t have a plan. They still don’t have a plan. Well, Joe Biden does. And our plan is about what we need to do around a national strategy for contact tracing, for testing, for administration of the vaccine, and making sure that it will be free for all. That is the plan that Joe Biden has and that I have, knowing that we have to get a hold of what has been going on, and we need to save our country. And Joe Biden is the best leader to do that. And frankly, this administration has forfeited their-

… right to reelection based on this. [speaking overtime]

Thank you, Vice President Pence. Senator Harris, would you like to respond?

Absolutely. Whatever the vice president is claiming the administration has done, clearly, it hasn’t worked. When you’re looking at over 210,000 dead bodies in our country, American lives that have been lost, families that are grieving that loss, and the vice president is the head of the task force and knew on January 28th, how serious this was. And then, thanks to Bob Woodward, we learned that they knew about it. And then when that was exposed, the vice president said, when asked, “Well, why didn’t you all tell anybody?” He said, “Because the president wanted people to remain calm.”

No. But Susan, this is important. And I want to add- [speaking overtime]

Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking. [speaking overtime]

I’m speaking. [speaking overtime]

Thank you. So I want to ask the American people, how calm were you when you were panicked about where you were going to get your next roll of toilet paper? How calm were you when your kids were sent home from school and you didn’t know when they could go back? How calm were you-

… when your children- [speaking overtime]

… couldn’t see your parents because you were afraid they could kill them. [speaking overtime]

I’m referring to the president- [Interruption]

Let’s talk about respecting the American people. You respect the American people when you tell them the truth. You respect the American people when you have the courage to be a leader.

Speaking of those things that you may not want people to hear, but they need to hear so they can protect themselves. But this administration stood on information that, if you had as a parent, if you had as a worker, knowing you didn’t have enough money saved up, and now you’re standing in a food line because of the ineptitude of a administration that was unwilling to speak the truth to the American people. So let’s talk about caring about the American people. The American people have had to sacrifice far too much because of the incompetence of this administration. It is asking too much of the people-

It is asking too much of the people. That they would not be equipped with the information they need to help themselves to protect their parents and their children.

That’s fine, I’m Kamala.

No, no, you’re Senator Harris to me. For life to get back to normal, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other experts say that most of the people who can be vaccinated need to be vaccinated. But half of Americans now say they wouldn’t take a vaccine if it was released now. If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it, and would you take it?

If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.

Senator Harris, let me ask you the same question that I asked her Vice President Pence, which is, have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with Vice President Biden about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability? And if not, and if you win the election next month, do you think you should? You have two minutes uninterrupted.

Let me tell you first of all, the day I got the call from Joe Biden, it was actually a Zoom call, asking me to serve with him on this ticket was probably one of the most memorable days of my life. I thought about my mother, who came to the United States at the age of 19, gave birth to me at the age of 25 at Kaiser Hospital in Oakland, California. And the thought that I’d be sitting here right now, I know, would make her proud. And she must be looking down on this. Joe and I were raised in a very similar way. We were raised with values that are about hard work, about the value and the dignity of public service, and about the importance of fighting for the dignity of all people. And I think Joe asked me to serve with him because I have a career that included being elected the first woman District Attorney of San Francisco, where I created models of innovation for law enforcement, in terms of reform of the criminal justice system.

I was elected the first woman of color, and black woman to be elected Attorney General of the state of California, where I ran the second largest department of justice in the United States. Second only to the United States Department of Justice. And there, I took on everything from transnational criminal organizations, to the big banks that were taking advantage of homeowners, to for-profit colleges that were taking advantage of veterans. And then of course, now I serve in the United States Senate as only the second black woman ever elected to the United States Senate. I serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee where I’ve been in regular receipt of classified information about threats to our nation in hotspots around the world. I’ve traveled the world, I’ve met with our soldiers in war zones. And I think Joe has asked me to serve with him because he knows that we share a purpose, which is about lifting up the American people. And after the four years that we have seen of Donald Trump unifying our country around our common values and principles.

I want to give Senator Harris a chance to respond to the same question I asked, which is, do voters have a right to know more detailed health information about presidential candidates and especially about presidents, especially when they’re facing some kind of challenge?

Absolutely. And that’s why Joe Biden has been so incredibly transparent. And certainly by contrast that the President has not, both in terms of health records, but also let’s look at taxes. We now know because of great investigative journalism that Donald Trump paid $750 in taxes. When I first heard about it, I literally said, “You mean $750,000?” And it was like no, $750. We now know Donald Trump owes and is in debt for $400 million. And just so everyone is clear, when we say in debt, it means you owe money to somebody. And it’d be really good to know who the President of the United States, the commander-in-chief owes money to because the American people have a right to know what is influencing the President’s decisions. And is he making those decisions on the best interest of the American people, of you or self-interest?

So, Susan, I’m glad you asked about transparency because it has to be across the board. Joe has been incredibly transparent over many, many years. The one thing we all know about Joe, he puts it all out there. He is honest, he is forthright, but Donald Trump on the other hand has been about covering up everything.

Thank you.

That’s a great segue. [Interrupting]

Senator Harris, the Biden, Harris campaign has proposed new programs to boost the economy. And you would pay for that new spending by raising four trillion dollars in taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations. Some economists warn that could curb entrepreneurial ventures that fuel growth and create jobs. Would raising taxes put the recovery at risk? And you have two minutes to answer uninterrupted.

Thank you. On the issue of the economy, I think there couldn’t be a more fundamental difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Joe Biden believes you measure the health and the strength of America’s economy based on the health and the strength of the American worker and the American family. On the other hand, you have Donald Trump who measures the strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing, which is why he passed a tax bill benefiting the top one percent and the biggest corporations of America, leading to a two trillion dollar deficit that the American people are going to have to pay for. On day one, Joe Biden will repeal that tax bill, he’ll get rid of it. And what he’ll do with the money is invest it in the American people.

And through a plan that is about investing in infrastructure, something that Donald Trump said he would do, I remember hearing about some infrastructure week, I don’t think it ever happened, but Joe Biden will do that. He’ll invest in infrastructure. It’s about upgrading our roads and bridges, but also investing in clean energy and renewable energy. Joe was going to invest that money in what we need to do around innovation. There was a time when our country believed in science and invested in research and development, so that we were an innovation leader on the globe. Joe Biden will use that money to invest in education. So for example, for folks who want to go to a two-year community college, it will be free. If you come from a family that makes less than $125,000, you’ll go to a public university for free. And across the board, we’ll make sure that if you have student loan debt, it’s cut by $10,000.

That’s how Joe Biden thinks about the economy which is, it’s about investing in the people of our country. As opposed to passing a tax bill, which had the benefit of letting American corporations go off-shore to do their business.

You’re welcome.

That’s not what I said. [Interrupting]

Well, I mean, I thought we saw enough of it in last week’s debate, but I think this is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth and the truth and the fact is, Joe Biden has been very clear, he will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000 a year.

Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking. I’m speaking.

That is-

That is absolutely not true,

If you don’t mind letting me finish, we can then have a conversation, okay?

Okay. Joe Biden will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year. He has been very clear about that. Joe Biden will not end fracking, he has been very clear about that. Joe Biden is the one who, during the great recession was responsible for the Recovery Act that brought America back. And now that Trump-

Pence administration wants to take credit when they rode the coattails of Joe Biden’s success for the economy that they had at the beginning of their term. Of course, now the economy is a complete disaster, but Joe Biden on the one hand did that. On the other hand, you have Donald Trump who has reigned over a recession that is being compared to the Great Depression.

On the one hand, you have Joe Biden who was responsible with President Barack Obama for the Affordable Care Act, which brought healthcare to over 20 million Americans and protected people with preexisting conditions. And what it also did is it saved those families who otherwise were going bankrupt because of hospital bills they could not afford. On the other hand, you have Donald Trump, who is in court right now, trying to get rid of- [speaking over time]

trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which means that you will lose protections if you have preexisting conditions. And I just, this is very important, Susan. [speaking over time]

He interrupted me, and I’d like to just finish, please. If you have a preexisting condition, heart disease, diabetes, breast cancer, they’re coming for you. If you love someone who has a pre-existing condition, they’re coming for you. If you are under the age of 26 on your parents’ coverage, they’re coming for you. [speaking over time]

You’re welcome.

What exactly would be the stance of a Biden-Harris administration toward the Green New Deal? You have two minutes uninterrupted.

So, first of all, I will repeat and the American people know that Joe Biden will not ban fracking. That is a fact. That is a fact. I will repeat that Joe Biden has been very clear that he thinks about growing jobs, which is why he will not increase taxes for anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year. Joe Biden’s economic plan… Moody’s, which is a reputable Wall Street firm, has said will create seven million more jobs than Donald Trump’s.

And part of those jobs that will be created by Joe Biden are going to be about clean energy and renewable energy. Because, you see, Joe understands that the West Coast of our country is burning, including my home state of California. Joe sees what is happening on the Gulf states, which are being battered by storms. Joe has seen and talked with the farmers in Iowa whose entire crops have been destroyed because of floods.

And so Joe believes, again, in science. I’ll tell you something, Susan, I served when I first got to the Senate on the committee that’s responsible for the environment. Do you know, this administration took the word science off the website, and then took the phrase climate change off the website? We have seen a pattern with this administration, which is they don’t believe in science. And Joe’s plan is about saying we’re going to deal with it, but we’re also going to create jobs. Donald Trump, when asked about the wildfires in California, and the question was, the science is telling us this… You know what Donald Trump said? Science doesn’t know.

So let’s talk about who is prepared to lead our country over the course of the next four years on what is an existential threat to us as human beings. Joe is about saying we’re going to invest that in renewable energy, which is going to be about the creation of millions of jobs. We will achieve net zero emissions by 2050, carbon neutral by 2035. Joe has a plan. This has been a lot of talk from the Trump administration, and really it has been to go backward instead of forward. We will also reenter the Climate Agreement with pride.

Well, on the issue of jobs.

Let’s talk about that. The vice-president earlier referred to it as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment. The president’s trade war with China. You lost that trade war. You lost it. What ended up happening is because of a so-called trade war with China, America lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs. Farmers have experienced bankruptcy because of it. We are in a manufacturing recession because of it. And when we look at where this administration has been, there are estimates that by the end of the term of this administration, they will have lost more jobs than almost any other presidential administration and the American people know what I’m talking about.

I think about 20 year olds, we have a 20 something year old who are coming out of high school and college right now. And you’re wondering, is there going to be a job there for me? We’re looking at people who are trying to figure out how they’re going to pay rent by the end of the month, almost half of American renters are worried about whether they’re going to be able to pay rent by the end of the month. This is where the economy is in America right now. And it is because of the catastrophe and the failure of leadership of this administration.

Listen- [Interrupting]

I just need to respond very quickly. [Interrupting]

Thank you-

Thank you. Joe Biden is responsible for saving America’s auto industry and you voted against it. So let’s set the record straight. Thank you.

How would you describe our fundamental relationship with China? Are we competitors? Adversaries? Enemies? You’ll have two minutes uninterrupted.

Susan, the Trump administration’s perspective and approach to China has resulted in the loss of American lives, American jobs, and America’s standing. There is a weird obsession that President Trump has had with getting rid of whatever accomplishment was achieved by President Obama and Vice President Biden. For example, they created within the White House and office that basically was responsible for monitoring pandemics. They got rid of it.

There was a team of disease experts that President Obama and Vice President Biden dispatched to China to monitor what is now predictable and what might happen. They pulled them out. We now are looking at 210,000 Americans who have lost their lives. Let’s look at the job situation. We mentioned before, the trade deal, the trade war, they wanted to call it with China. It resulted in the loss of over 300 manufacturing jobs and a manufacturing recession and the American consumer paid thousands of dollars, more for goods because of that failed war that they called it. Then let’s talk about standing. Pew, a reputable research firm has done an analysis that shows that leaders of all of our formerly allied countries have now decided that they hold in greater esteem and respect Xi Jinping the head of the Chinese communist party than they do Donald Trump. The President of the United States, the commander in chief of the United States. This is where we are today because of a failure of leadership by this administration.

What is your definition of the role of American leadership in 2020?

So I love talking with Joe about a lot of these issues and Joe, I think he said it quite well. He says, “Foreign policy, it might sound complicated, but really it’s relationships.” Just think about it as relationships. So we know this in our personal and professional relationships, you got to keep your word to your friends. Got to be loyal to your friends. People who’ve stood with, you got to stand with them. You got to know who your adversaries are and keep them in check. But what we have seen with Donald Trump is that he has betrayed our friends and embraced dictators around the world.

Let’s take for example, Russia. So I serve on the intelligence committee of the United States Senate. America’s Intelligence Community told us Russia interfered in the election of the president of the United States in 2016 and his plan in 2020. Christopher Wray, the director of the FBI said the same, but Donald Trump, the commander in chief of the United States of America prefers to take the word of Vladimir Putin over the word of the American Intelligence Community. You look at our friends at NATO, he has walked away from agreements.

You can look at the Iran nuclear deal, which now has put us in a position where we are less safe because they are building up what might end up being a significant nuclear arsenal. We were in that deal guys. We were in the Iran nuclear deal with friends, with allies around the country. And because of Donald Trump’s unilateral approach to foreign policy, coupled with his isolationism, he pulled us out and has made America less safe. So Susan it’s about relationships. And the thing that has always been part of the strength of our nation in addition to our great military has been that we keep our word, but Donald Trump doesn’t understand that because he doesn’t understand what it means to be honest.

He doesn’t understand what it means to be honest. [speaking over time]

But I would like equal time. [Interrupting]

Thank you.

First of all, to the Mueller family, I know about your daughter’s case, and I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry. What happened to her is awful and it should have never happened, and I know Joe feels the same way, and I know that president Obama feels the same way, but you mentioned Soleimani. Let’s start there. So, after the strike on Soleimani, there was a counter strike on our troops in Iraq, and they suffered serious brain injuries, and do you know what Donald Trump dismissed them as? Headaches. And this is about a pattern of Donald Trump’s where he has referred to our men who are serving in our military as suckers and losers. Donald Trump, who went to Arlington cemetery and stood above the graves of our fallen heroes and said, “What’s in it for them?” Because of course, he only thinks about what’s in it for him. Let’s take what he said about John McCain, a great American hero, and Donald Trump says, “He doesn’t deserve to be called a hero because it was a prisoner of war.”

Take, and this is very important when you want to talk about who is the current commander in chief and what they care about and what they don’t care about. Public reporting that Russia had bounties on the heads of American soldiers. And you know what a bounty is? It’s somebody puts a price on your head and they will pay it if you are killed, and Donald Trump had talked at least six times to Vladimir Putin and never brought up the subject. Joe Biden would never do that.

But Joe Biden would hold Russia to account for any threat to our nation security or to our troops who are sacrificing their lives for the sake of our democracy and our safety.

Yes.

Thank you, Susan. First of all, Joe Biden and I are both people of faith, and it’s insulting to suggest that we would knock anyone for their faith, and in fact, Joe, if elected, will be only the second practicing Catholic as President of the United States. On the issue of this nomination, Joe and I are very clear, as are the majority of the American people, we are 27 days before the decision about who will be the next President of the United States, and before, when this conversation has come up, it’s been about election year or election time. We’re literally in an election. Over 4 million people have voted. People are in the process of voting right now. And so, Joe has been very clear, as the American people are, let the American people fill that seat in the White House. And then we’ll fill that seat on the United States Supreme court, and to your point, Susan, the issues before us, couldn’t be more serious. There’s the issue of choice and I will always fight for a woman’s right to make a decision about her own body.

It should be her decision and not that Donald Trump, and the Vice President, Michael Pence, but let’s also look at what else is before the court. It’s the Affordable Care Act like literally in the midst of a public health pandemic when over 210,000 people have died and 7 million people probably have what will be in the future considered a preexisting condition because you contracted the virus. Donald Trump is in court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, and I said it before, and it bears repeating. This means that there will be no more protections if they win for people with pre-existing conditions. This means that over 20 million people will lose your coverage. It means that if you’re under the age of 26, you can’t stay on your parents’ coverage anymore, and here’s the thing. The contrast couldn’t be more clear. They’re trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

[Speaking over time] Joe Biden is saying let’s expand coverage. Let’s give you a choice of a public option or private coverage. Let’s bring down premiums-

[Speaking over time] … Let’s lower Medicare eligibility to 60.

That’s true leadership.

I’m so glad we went through a little history lesson. Let’s do that a little more. In 1864-

Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking, I’m speaking. Okay. In 1864, one of the, I think political heroes, certainly the President, I assume you also, Mr. Vice President, is Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was up for reelection and it was 27 days before the election. And a seat became open on the United States Supreme Court. Abraham Lincoln’s party was in charge, not only of the White House, but the Senate. But Honest Aid said, “It’s not the right thing to do. The American people deserve to make the decision about who will be the next president of the United States. And then that person can select who will serve for a lifetime on the highest court of our land.” And so Joe and I are very clear: the American people are voting right now and it should be their decision about who will serve on this most important body for a lifetime.

[Interrupting] I’m trying to answer you now.

[Interrupting] Yeah. Let’s talk about packing the court then. Let’s talk about the fact.

Yeah, I’m about to. So the Trump Pence administration has been, because I sit on the Senate judiciary committee, Susan as you mentioned, and I’ve witnessed the appointments for lifetime appointments to the federal courts, district courts, courts of appeal, people who are purely ideological, people who have been reviewed by legal professional organizations and found who have been not competent are substandard. And do you know that of the 50 people who President Trump appointed to the court of appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is black? This is what they’ve been doing. You want to talk about packing a court? Let’s have that discussion.

Senator Harris, in the case of Breonna Taylor was justice done? You have two minutes.

I don’t believe so. And I’ve talked with Breonna’s mother, Tamika Palmer and her family and her family deserves justice. She was a beautiful young woman. She had as her life goal to become a nurse and she wanted to become an EMT to first learn what’s going on out on the street so she could then become a nurse and save lives. And her life was taken justifiably and tragically and violently. And it brings me to the eight minutes and 46 seconds that America witnessed during which an American man was tortured and killed under the knee of an armed uniformed police officer. And people around our country of every race, of every age, of every gender, perfect strangers to each other, marched shoulder to shoulder, arm in arm, fighting for us to finally achieve that ideal of equal justice under law. And I was a part of those peaceful protests.

And I believe strongly that first of all, we are never going to condone violence, but we always must fight for the values that we hold dear, including the fight to achieve our ideals. And that’s why Joe Biden and I have said on this subject, look, and I’m a former career prosecutor. I know what I’m talking about. Bad cops are bad for good cops. We need reform of our policing in America and our criminal justice system, which is why Joe and I will immediately ban choke holes and carotid holes. George Floyd would be alive today if we did that. We will require a national registry for police officers who break the law. We will, on the issue of criminal justice reform, get rid of private prisons and cash bail and we will decriminalize marijuana.

[Speaking over time] And we will expunge the records of those who have been convicted of marijuana. This is a time for leadership-

[Speaking over time] on a tragic, tragic issue-

[Speaking over time] Of honor on Black people in America who

[Interrupting] I’d like to respond.

I will not sit here and be lectured by the Vice President on what it means to enforce the laws of our country. The only one on this stage, who has personally prosecuted everything from child sexual assault to homicide. I’m the only one on this stage who has prosecuted the big banks for taking advantage of America’s homeowners. I am the only one on this stage who prosecuted for-profit colleges for taking advantage of our veterans.

And the reality of this is that we are talking about an election in 27 days where last week the President of the United States took a debate stage in front of 70 million Americans and refused to condemn white supremacists.

And it wasn’t like he didn’t have a chance. He didn’t do it. And then he doubled down. And then he said, “when pressed, stand back, stand by.” And this is a part of a pattern of Donald Trump’s. He called Mexicans rapists and criminals. He instituted as his first act, a Muslim ban. He on the issue of Charlottesville, where people were peacefully protesting the need for racial justice, where a young woman was killed. And on the other side, there were neo-Nazis carrying Tiki torches, shouting racial epithets, anti-Semitic slurs. And Donald Trump when asked about it said, “There were fine people on both sides.” This is who we have as the President of the United States and America, you deserve better. Joe Biden will be a president who brings our country together-

[Speaking over time] And recognizes the beauty in our diversity and the fact that we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

[Interrupting] But he attacked my record. I would like an opportunity to respond to.

I appreciate that. First of all, having served as the Attorney General of the state of California, the work that I did is a model of what our nation needs to do, and we will be able to do under a Joe Biden presidency. Our agenda includes what this administration has failed to do. It will be about not only instituting a ban on choke holes and carotid holes-

[Speaking over time] I would like to go through-

But I want to talk about the connection between what Joe and I will do in my record, which includes I was the first statewide officer to institute a requirement that my agents would wear body cameras and keep them on full-time. We were the first to initiate a requirement that there would be a training for law enforcement on implicit bias because yes, Joe Biden and I recognize that implicit bias does exist, Mr. Vice President, contrary to what you may believe. We did the work of instituting reforms that were about investing in re-entry. This is the work that we have done and the work we will do going forward. And again, I will not be lectured by the Vice President on our record of what we have done in terms of law enforcement and keeping our community safe and a commitment to reforming the criminal justice system of America.

[Speaking over time] And a commitment to reforming the criminal justice system of America.

If your ticket wins and president Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, what steps would you and vice president Biden then take? What would happen next? You have two minutes.

So I’ll tell you. Joe and I are particularly proud of the coalition that we’ve built around our campaign. We probably have one of the broadest coalitions of folks that you’ve ever seen in a presidential race. Of course, we have the support of Democrats, but also independents and Republicans. In fact, seven members of president George W. Bush’s cabinet are supporting our ticket. We have the support of Colin Powell, Cindy McCain, John Kasich. Over 500 generals, retired generals and former national security experts and advisors are supporting our campaign. And I believe they are doing that because they know that Joe Biden has a deep, deep seated commitment to fight for our democracy, and to fight for the integrity of our democracy, and to bring integrity back to the White House. We believe in the American people, we believe in our democracy, and here’s what I’d like to say to everybody. Vote, please vote, vote early, come up with a plan to vote, go to Iwillvote.com. You can also go to Joebiden.com.

We have it within our power in these next 27 days to make the decision about what will be the course of our country for the next four years. And it is within our power, and if we use our vote and we use our voice, we will win. And we will not let anyone subvert our democracy with what Donald Trump has been doing as he did on the debate stage last week, when, again, in front of 70 million people, he openly attempted to suppress the vote. Joe Biden, on the other hand, on that same debate stage, because clearly Donald Trump doesn’t think he can run on a record because it’s a failed record, Joe Biden on that stage said, Hey, just please vote. So I’ll repeat what Joe said. Please vote.

Thank you, vice president. Senator Harris, what would you say to Brooklyn?

First of all, I love hearing from our young leaders. And when I hear her words, when I hear your words, Brooklyn, I know our future is bright because it is that perspective on who we are and who we should be that is a sign of leadership, and is something we should all aspire to be.

And brings me to Joe, Joe Biden. One of the reasons that Joe decided to run for president is after Charlottesville, which we talked about earlier. It so troubled him and upset him like it did all of us, that there was that kind of hate and division. What propelled Joe to run for president was to see that over the course of the last four years, what Brooklyn described has been happening.

Joe has a longstanding reputation of working across the aisle, and working in a bipartisan way. And that’s what he’s going to do as president. Joe Biden has a history of lifting people up and fighting for their dignity. You have to know Joe’s story to know that Joe has known pain. He has known suffering. And he has known love.

Brooklyn, when you think about the future, I do believe the future is bright. And it will be because of your leadership, and it will be because we fight for each person’s voice through their vote. And we get engaged in this election, because you have the ability through your work and through, eventually, your vote, to determine the future of our country and what its leadership looks like.

What Did Her Words Amount To?

In the end, Senator Kamala Harris spoke a total of 5,700 words.

  • 2,635 words, or approximately 46% of what Senator Kamala Harris said was a policy attack on either President Trump or Vice President Mike Pence.
  • 107 words, or 2% of what Senator Kamala Harris said was a personal attack on either President Trump or Vice President Mike Pence.
  • 1,283 words, or 22% of what Senator Kamala Harris said was about her record, former Vice President Joe Biden’s record, or about their personal values or beliefs.
  • 665 words, or 11% of what Senator Kamala Harris said was about their policy plans. So few words on the most important part of a presidential debate!

To Sum Up Her Policy Statements

Below is a list of what Senator Kamala Harris declared they would do. This is not an analysis of what is true or false or of what each statement actually means. It’s only a list of what she said.

  1. They will create a national strategy for contact tracing, testing, and administering the COVID vaccine, and it will be free for all.
  2. On day one, they will repeal President Trump’s tax cuts.
  3. With the extra tax money they get from the American people, they will pour funds into infrastructure, upgrading roads and bridges, investing in clean energy, renewable energy and innovation. They will also make community college free for everyone, and public college will be free for anyone from a family that makes less than 125k per year, and they will cut everyone’s student loan debts down by 10k.
  4. They will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less than 400k per year.
  5. They will not end fracking.
  6. They will create 7 million more jobs in clean and renewable energy.
  7. They will achieve net zero emissions by 2050.
  8. They will re-enter the Climate Agreement.
  9. They will hold Russia to account for any threat to our nation’s security or to our troops.
  10. They will fight to keep abortion legal.
  11. They will expand health care coverage, give people the choice of a public option or private option, bring down premiums, and lower Medicare eligibility to 60.
  12. They will reform policing and immediately ban choke holds and coratid holds. They will require a national registry for police officers who break the law.
  13. They will get rid of private prisons and cash bail
  14. They will decriminalize marijuana and expunge the records of those who have been convicted of marijuana.
  15. They will bring the country together and work in a bipartisan way.

I’d like to go through these statements one-by-one in another post, because I think that they require some analysis and explanation. For now, I will leave you with her words. After reading her color-coded words, what are your thoughts?

If Chris Wallace Had Followed the Debate Rules…

After the first time watching the Presidential Debate, I believed, as most of America did, that President Donald Trump and Vice President Joe Biden did an awful lot of interrupting, but the President did far more. This is what Chris Wallace told them and us, the audience. This is what it seemed like, if we weren’t carefully following the debate format, with timers in hand. This first paragraph may upset you, because you believe what you saw “with your own eyes” and heard “with your own ears.” Sadly, even your eyes and ears can be manipulated through the way a debate is managed and filmed. I hope that, no matter your political preference, you would want a fair and accurately represented debate for both parties.

I hope that, no matter your political preference, you would want a fair and accurately represented debate for both parties.

I have now watched the debate three times, making note of times, following the debate format carefully. I created a spreadsheet with every word uttered and spoken in the debate, by each person, in 15 second chunks. This took hours of analysis. I did this because I want to know the truth. What really happened, vs. what Chris Wallace, and the intentional camera angles (that’s another subject) tried to make us believe? (If you are interested in getting a copy of my debate spreadsheet, donate at least $5 to this site and make sure I have your email address.)

As a former NCFCA debate mom who has judged many debate rounds (both Team Policy and Lincoln Douglas), I felt equipped to use my debate-flowing skills and follow what these men were saying. As a mom who has kept time for debates, and carefully followed the debate format, I was appalled at the poor job that Chris Wallace did in moderating this debate.

The Rules, Laid Out by Chris Wallace for Both Candidates, Which He, Himself Did Not Follow

At the beginning of the debate, Mr. Wallace stated the debate format rules at the beginning:

“This debate is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. The Commission has designed the format, six roughly 15 minute segments with two minute answers from each candidate to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to these rules.”

If Mr. Wallace had followed these rules, the entire debate should have consisted of six total questions, but he asked many more.

Also, “Open Discussion” implies that the candidates would be conversing back and forth, without the inclusion of any questions, commentary or debating from the moderator, unless the candidates were breaking the rules. Unfortunately, there were not any rules laid out for this Open Discussion time. I assumed the candidates would be sharing this Open Discussion time equally.

How Chris Wallace Broke the Rules and Failed as a Moderator

Don’t get me wrong here. Both candidates did interrupt each other. In fact, they did this so often, that I felt nauseated watching the debate a third time through. Their behavior was deplorable, to use Hillary Clinton’s word. I believe that these men were disrespectful and such behavior has no place in the high and honorable position of presidency. Still, Chris Wallace added to the ugliness of the night by not doing the things a moderator should.

  1. He Didn’t Tell the Candidates When Their Time Started and Ended

This is the basic job of the moderator: set the timer and tell the candidates who is supposed to be talking during each section. Otherwise, it appeared as though one person was interrupting another when it was really still their time to speak. This happened so often that I really wonder if Chris Wallace did it intentionally.

As a debate mom, we would set the timers and speak loud and clear “You have eight minutes” or “five minutes” depending on the round. We would give hand signals to the debaters as their time went down, so that they knew how much time they had left. The timer would go off when the time was done, and everyone in the room knew it was time for the speaker to stop talking. If the speaker didn’t stop, points were taken away from their score as a penalty.

Chris Wallace did not state clearly whose time it was or when their time had ended. People called this debate a “train wreck,” and I agree–but a train cannot run smoothly where there is no track. Chris Wallace, as the moderator, was to provide the track–the structure throughout the debate–and he failed to do so.

Chris Wallace did not state clearly whose time it was or when their time had ended. People called this debate a “train wreck,” and I agree–but a train cannot run smoothly where there is no track. Chris Wallace, as the moderator, was to provide the track–the structure throughout the debate–and he failed to do so.

2. He Didn’t Allow Equal Time for Each Candidate for Each Question

This can be frustrating to a speaker, because they have things they want to say. When a speaker feels as though the moderator is disrespecting their time and treating them unfairly, the speaker will often begin to butt in when it is not his turn, just to make up for the time he should have had according to the rules.

Sometimes a candidate didn’t get a chance to answer a question at all. Often, he would cut off President Trump’s time early and say that it was Vice President Biden’s turn to speak.

3. He Asked Too Many Questions

If he followed the rules set up by the Commission on Presidential Debates, he would have asked one single question, allowed each candidate two minutes of uninterrupted time, and then he would have allowed for open dialogue.

Instead, Mr. Wallace asked a question, sometimes would interrupt and ask another question or two in the middle of a candidate’s two minutes to speak, would ask a different question to the next candidate, and then he would ask more questions to JB during “Open Discussion,” and would not allow for equal time for DT to answer these new questions. I was not aware, from the rules, that “Open Discussion” included more questions from Chris Wallace. I’m not sure if the candidates were clear on this, either.

4. “Open Discussion” is Bound to Be a Mess

Our student debaters in NCFCA were not ever given “Open Discussion” time. After one speaker presented a speech, a member from the other team had two minutes to ask questions. Then the questioner would sit down, formulate a quick rebuttal speech in their allotted time, and then stand to present it.

The kids, ages 12-18, who debated in the NCFCA tournaments were more professional and more impressive than President Trump or Vice President Biden. And, I believe the clear structure added to their appearance of professionalism.

“Open Discussion” allows for the “squeaky wheel,” the loudest, most aggressive speaker in the room, to dominate the time. Or, as often happened in this debate, it allows for the candidate who the moderator favors to have more speaking time, while the other candidate can only “interrupt” to get a word in. Chris Wallace typically made it appear as though the “Open Discussion” time was Vice President Joe Biden’s time by asking him more questions, and by stating “Let him speak” when the President tried to say anything. “Open Discussion” should have been equal, and no one candidate should have been presented more questions during that time period.

Ultimately, “Open Discussion” forces the candidates to interrupt each other just to get a word in. There is no way to sound respectful when one candidate is hogging the whole time period. And, how long the time period was going to be, nobody knew. Chris Wallace would decide on a whim to stop one candidate (Perhaps because he did not want America to hear what they were saying?). He clearly was not using timers to decide when it was each candidate’s turn to speak during these “Open Discussions.” I think he did them a great disservice and made both men look bad because of his poor job as a moderator.

What Really Happened in this Debate?

After watching the debate three times through and taking careful notes, I have analyzed who said what and when, and whose time period it was to be speaking (even if Chris Wallace did not announce it). I have broken it all down for you to see.

Assumptions I Made:

  1. If Chris Wallace asked a question, each candidate should have 2 uninterrupted minutes to respond, per the rules.
  2. I only counted interruptions during the other candidate’s speaking time or when Mr. Wallace was asking a question.
  3. I did not count interruptions during “Open Discussion,” because, without clear structure, the time lends itself to interrupting. It is difficult to decipher who was interrupting who during these time periods.
  4. I counted laughing as interrupting. It is rude and bully-like, just as bully-like as talking over someone.

A Note on Word Counts

My word counts are pretty accurate but not exact. I copied every word spoken during a segment, directly from my spreadsheet (which is divided into 15 second increments) and then pasted it into a Google Doc and did a word count. I put numbers “1 through sometimes 9” before words or phrases so I could show who spoke first, second, third, etc., during a 15 second chunk. These numbers are included in the word count, even though the candidates did not speak them, only because I did not take the time to remove each of these when I counted words. I also included some brackets, “[uttered something]” and “[laughed],” and these are totaled in with the word counts. While these exact phrases were not spoken by the candidates, I do think that their quiet utters and their laughing should be included in the word count for a segment.

Just a reminder, if you are interested in getting a copy of my debate spreadsheet, donate at least $5 to this site and make sure I have your email address.

Also, based on several samples, I have learned that the three men speak at different paces. I will note, at the end, the total word count, divided by their average speaking speed, to estimate how much talk time each man had.

President Trump spoke an average of 202 words per minute.
Vice Preside Biden spoke an average of 167 words per minute.
Chris Wallace spoke an average of 150 words per minute.

Keep this in mind when you see that President Trump had a higher word count in a segment, as was often the case, because this does not mean that he had more time.

For the Sake of Space, I have Used Initials

I don’t mean any disrespect by calling President Donald Trump “DT” and Vice President Joe Biden “JB,” I have only attempted to save space and make the details easy to read.

The Debate, Play By Play

Below, I share what Should Have Happened and What Actually Happened because of Chris Wallace’s poor job as a moderator. See how his choices directly impacted Americans’ view of each of these men and how they conducted themselves.

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 132
DT: 0
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:20
WORD COUNTS
CW: 0
DT: 264
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 1
CW: 0

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 2:05
WORD COUNTS
CW: 0
DT: 0
JB: 359
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
CW: 0

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 25 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 27 seconds

WORD COUNTS
CW: 88
DT: 368
JB: 33
INTERRUPTIONS
Several (JB first)
CW (of DT): 3
CW (of JB): 1

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 2 CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if Chris Wallace had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 1. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
Chris Wallace should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
CW not only asked a question, but also attacked and debated DT. Moderators should not show any partiality, but CW began to show it just ten minutes into the debate by using absolutes like “President Trump, you have never ____.” He didn’t use any such phrases with JB in the entire debate. These kinds of statements put the speaker in a defensive mode.
WORD COUNTS
CW: 236
DT: 111
JB: 12
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 15
JB: 6

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW asked another question, just 30 seconds into DT’s 2 minute time. At 45 seconds in, CW said it was Open Discussion time and then asked JB a question (!?).
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 10 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 113
DT: 238
JB: 165
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 20
CW: 10

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW did not announce that JB’s time had started. In fact, just before this, he stated that it was Open Discussion time, but according to the rules and the timer, it would have been JB’s time.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 11 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 45
DT: 218
JB: 269
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 28
CW: 1

SEGMENT 1 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW never announced that it was Open Discussion time. He behaved as though it was still JB’s time and asked two more questions of JB.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 9 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 20 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 158
DT: 158
JB: 168
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (of DT): 3
CW (of JB): 1

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 165
DT: 53
JB: 47
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 4
JB: 6

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW clearly stated that JB had 2 minutes and then only interrupted when DT interrupted. Allowed JB to speak freely without further questions.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:56
WORD COUNTS
CW: 39
DT: 21
JB: 367
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 5
CW: 0

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: Interrupted JB once. THEN, before DT’s time was up, interrupted DT and said “Sir, you made a point. You made a point, let him answer it.” Technically it was still in DT’s 2 min and JB shouldn’t have been speaking.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 42 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 38
DT: 413
JB: 45
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 9
CW: 3

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: Never announced that it was Open Discussion time. Behaved as though it was still JB’s time.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 0 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 23 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 8
DT: 33
JB: 191
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (of DT): 2
CW (of JB): 0

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 2, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if Chris Wallace had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 2. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 108
DT: 0
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: Debated with DT 3 times. Did not tell JB to give DT his 2 minutes when JB interrupted. Took one of JB’s questions and said he wanted DT to answer it, during DT’s 2 minutes.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 14 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 97
DT: 217
JB: 128
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 9
CW: 6

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: Asked JB a separate question. Did not clearly state it was JB’s 2 minutes. Cut the 2 minutes short by saying “Mr. President?”
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 29 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 35
DT: 24
JB: 211
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 4
CW: 3

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
Never announced that it was Open Discussion time. Asked another question of JBmaking it appear that DT was interrupting when he spoke.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 20 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 14 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 118
DT: 338
JB: 157
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (of DT): 2
CW (of JB): 2

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 3, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if Chris Wallace had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 2. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 73
DT: 14
JB: 14
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 1
JB: 3

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 3, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: Cut off DT’s 2 minute time after less than 1 minute and ask JB to answer.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 7 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 12
DT: 100
JB: 25
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 4
CW: 2

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 3, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: This was technically still DT’s time to speak.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 13 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 35
DT: 37
JB: 70
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 7
CW: 4

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 3, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW Skipped Open Discussion and moved on to another question, stating there was only one minute left in the Segment.

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 4, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if Chris Wallace had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 2. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 100
DT: 37
JB: 1
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 5
JB: 1

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 4, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW interrupted and debated, cut off DT and then let JB talk after less than 45 seconds.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 11 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 43
DT: 84
JB: 49
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 2
CW: 5

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 4, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: This was technically still DT’s time to speak.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 19 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 24
DT: 49
JB: 81
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 4
CW: 2

SEGMENT 2 QUESTION 4, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW: Did not allow for any Open Discussion Time on this subject. He moved on to another question.

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 114
DT: 5
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 2
JB: 1

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW stopped DT after 1:44 and told him his two minutes was up and it was JB’s turn.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:44
WORD COUNTS
CW: 9
DT:365
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
CW: 1

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
This was technically still DT’s time to speak for 16 seconds. CW reminded JB of the question. Stopped JB after 2:07 to tell him his two minutes was up.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:31
WORD COUNTS
CW: 46
DT: 12
JB: 364
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 3
CW: 0

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended..
What Actually Happened:
CW was not planning to give Open Discussion. DT asked for a chance to respond.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 16 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 0 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 47
DT: 159
JB: 14
INTERRUPTIONS
CW (of DT): 5
CW (of JB): 0

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 2, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if CW had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 3. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 76
DT: 0
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW kept debating and asking DT questions. Interrupted his time at 1 minute 30 seconds.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 11 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 75
DT: 266
JB: 33
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 9
CW: 10

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW Interrupted his time at 53 seconds.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 23 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 8
DT: 40
JB: 123
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 4
CW: 1

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended. debating the candidates.
What Actually Happened:
CW was not going to allow time for Open Discussion. Kept cutting off DT to move on to another question.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 9 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 0 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 47
DT: 52
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
CW (of DT): 3
CW (of JB): 0

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 3, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if CW had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 3. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 113
DT: 4
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 2
JB: 0

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 3, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW interrupted and clarified the question once. Interrupted after one minute to ask DT a question.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 37 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 13
DT: 39
JB: 185
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 3
CW: 1

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 3, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW asked a new question. He asked JB to chime in during DT’s time twice, after 42 seconds and at 1 minute 38 seconds. When DT responded, it looked as though he was interrupting, but it was his 2 minute time period.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 19 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 54
DT: 255
JB: 185
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 18
CW (of DT): 4

SEGMENT 3 QUESTION 3, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW treated it as if it was JB’s time. Every time DT spoke, CW interrupted him and told him to let JB speak.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 18 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 9 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 161
DT: 346
JB: 391
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (to DT): 30
CW (to JB): 0

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SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
CW explained that in DT’s uninterrupted moment, he would be able to talk about whatever he wanted, but he appealed to DT to stop interrupting and said that he had done more.
WORD COUNTS
CW: 231
DT: 24
JB: 1
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 5
JB: 1

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW allowed JB to speak for 1 minute 59 seconds without interruption. DT interrupted once.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:13
WORD COUNTS
CW: 7
DT: 4
JB: 356
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 1
CW: 0

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW allowed DT to speak the full 2 minutes without further questions and asked JB to stop interrupting.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:49
WORD COUNTS
CW: 17
DT: 400
JB: 9
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 2
CW: 1

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.

What Actually Happened:
CW did not allow any Open Discussion. and instead moved on to another question.

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 2, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
Technically, if CW had played by the rules, there should not have been any more questions. in Segment 4. This should have been Open Discussion time for the candidates. Since he did ask another question, I am assuming that each candidate should have had 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer his new question. Thus, the Question rules apply:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 55
DT: 0
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW cut JB’s time short.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:05
WORD COUNTS
CW: 5
DT: 13
JB: 210
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 1
CW: 1

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW did not give DT a chance to answer the same question JB was asked and instead asked two more questions, stating opinions as if they were fact. Interrupted and asked another question. After 55 seconds, asked JB to speak.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 30 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 78
DT: 203
JB: 15
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 3
CW: 1

SEGMENT 4 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW interrupted DT’s 2 minute time period and asked JB to speak. He, again, treated this Open Discussion time as though it was JB’s time to talk.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 18 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 54 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 33
DT: 144
JB: 265
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (of DT): 4
CW (of JB): 1

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 77
DT: 9
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 1
JB: 0

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW allowed JB to speak for 29 seconds uninterrupted during DT’s time.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 18 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 7
DT: 171
JB: 137
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 11
CW: 2

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.

What Actually Happened:
CW asked a completely different question of JB. CW cut off JB’s time after 1 minute.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 40 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 27
DT: 81
JB: 156
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 8
CW: 2

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.

What Actually Happened:
CW did not allow any Open Discussion. and instead moved on to another question.

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 2, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 120
DT: 0
JB: 2
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 1

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW cut off JB’s time after 1 minute.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 18 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 62
DT: 75
JB: 166
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 7
CW: 4

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW asked DT a completely different question and would not allow him to answer the one he asked JB. CW laughed at the President of the United States for calling out the fact that CW was not following the rules of the debate and allowing each candidate a chance to answer the question. He joked “you know, if you want to switch seats.” Cut off DT’s speaking time after 45 seconds.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 8 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 109
DT: 158
JB: 65
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 10
CW: 9

SEGMENT 5 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.

What Actually Happened:
CW did not allow any Open Discussion. and instead moved on to another question.

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
CW gave a positive quote from JB, sounded like a campaign ad.
WORD COUNTS
CW: 67
DT: 0
JB: 0

INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW said “Time Sir,” for the first audible time in the entire debate! And he actually gave DT a full 2 minutes!
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 58 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 2
DT: 369
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 0
CW: 0

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW said he would give JB an extra 30 seconds because of DT interrupting. CW did not tell the candidates when JB’s time was up.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 41 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 70
DT: 90
JB: 305
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 6
CW: 0

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW did not clearly tell the candidates when JB’s time was up. He interrupted DT when he was asking questions about JB’s honesty and integrity when he was a VP. He did not provide equal speaking opportunity for each candidate.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 0
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 9 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 58
DT: 40
JB: 86
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (to DT): 7
CW (to JB): 0

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 2, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 94
DT: 0
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW kept asking DT clarifying questions. He allowed DT’s time to go for about 3 minutes though.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 51 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 111
DT: 525
JB: 0
JB:INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 0
CW: 9

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW gave JB 2 minutes 15 seconds and then asked JB another question.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 2:07
WORD COUNTS
CW: 25
DT: 0
JB: 377
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
CW: 0

SEGMENT 6 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW treated the session as if it was still JB’s time to talk, thus making it look like DT was interrupting. When DT attempted to respond, CW cut him off.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 10 seconds
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 43 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 172
DT: 269
JB: 427
INTERRUPTIONS
Several
CW (of DT): 10
CW (of JB): 3

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 1, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 101
DT: 0
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
JB: 0

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 1, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
JB got a full 2 minutes uninterrupted.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 1:47
WORD COUNTS
CW: 0
DT: 0
JB: 382
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 0
CW: 0

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 1, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW allowed DT his full 2 minutes.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 2:03
WORD COUNTS
CW: 0
DT: 426
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 0
CW: 0

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SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 1, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW did not allow any Open Discussion. and instead moved on to another question.

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 2, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
WORD COUNTS
CW: 119
DT: 4
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 2
JB: 0

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 2, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW kept asking questions, allowed JB to interrupt and then cut DT’s time short at less than 1 minute.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 20 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 71
DT: 166
JB: 25
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 4
CW: 8

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 2, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW asked a second question and interrupted JB’s time after a minute and a half.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 34 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 94
DT: 23
JB: 171
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 4
CW: 2

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 2, OPEN DISCUSSION

What Should Have Happened:
DT and JB should have had equal time to speak without interruption. CW should not have been asking any other questions or debating the candidates. He should have set a timer and told the candidates clearly when the time began and ended.

What Actually Happened:
CW did not allow any Open Discussion. and instead moved on to another question.

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 3, CHRIS WALLACE

What Should Have Happened:
CW should have asked a question, without accusing or debating either candidate. The candidates should have remained quiet until he finished his question.
What Actually Happened:
DT behaved as though it was Open Discussion as it should have been.
WORD COUNTS
CW: 178
DT: 41
JB: 12
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 7
JB: 4

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 3, PRESIDENT TRUMP

What Should Have Happened:
DT should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or JB. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW interrupted, debated and kept asking questions of DT. He cut off DT’s time and asked JB a question after less than 1 minute.
DT Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 22 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 70
DT: 207
JB: 0
INTERRUPTIONS
JB: 0
CW: 12

SEGMENT 7 QUESTION 3, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN

What Should Have Happened:
JB should have been given 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking time without any further questions or debate from either CW or DT. CW should have set a timer and clearly stated when the time began and ended.
What Actually Happened:
CW cut off JB at about 1 minute 30 seconds.
JB Longest Period of Uninterrupted Speaking Time: 37 seconds
WORD COUNTS
CW: 15
DT: 20
JB: 195
INTERRUPTIONS
DT: 3
CW: 0

So What Was the Final Score?

I was curious to see, in the end, what this all amounted to. Clearly, the data I provided in this post does not determine the “Winner” of the debate (we would have to analyze the content for that), but it does show that Chris Wallace had an agenda.

Watch soon, I will be creating images for this post to share on social media, summing up the results.

Chris Wallace’s Debate with President Trump About White Supremacy

In the first Presidential Debate, at one hour into the debate, Chris Wallace made statements about President Trump’s criticism of Antifa, and then asked him if he was willing to denounce white supremacy. Chris Wallace told the President that he would have one minute to speak (instead of two, as both parties and the moderator had agreed to). Here is how that “One minute” during the required two minute talk segment (per the rules) played out:

President Trump spoke 8 seconds.

Chris Wallace debated.

Vice President Biden interrupted.

President Trump spoke 2 seconds.

Chris Wallace debated.

Vice President Biden interrupted.

President Trump spoke 5 seconds.

Vice President Biden laughed.

Chris Wallace debated.

President Trump spoke 10 seconds, with Vice President Joe Biden talking over him for 4 of those seconds.

Chris Wallace told Vice President Biden “Go ahead” after President Trump had only spoken for 25 interrupted seconds of his “One minute” two minute segment.

Vice President Biden spoke for 9 uninterrupted seconds, then 8 seconds, where President Trump spoke over him for 6 of those seconds (still during President Trump’s “One minute” two minute segment–so who was doing the interrupting here?).

President Trump attempted to speak for 7 seconds more while Chris Wallace talked over him and interrupted by saying “Moving On” and then asked another question.

The most uninterrupted time President Trump got to speak during is “One minute” two minute segment was 8 seconds. That is all.

Free Coronavirus Information From Our Vet

I got free COVID-19 information from our vet today. 😉 Dogs do have a coronavirus, but it’s so different from COVID-19, he said it’s like there are two family reunions of people with the same last name, but they have completely different lineages, but people think they’re the same…It’s like that. 😉

He was the first (or one of the first?) vets in the state to test a cat for COVID-19. All of these tests, across the country, had to be sent into a single lab in California, and shipped and labeled in particular ways. The lab said that they had tested 5,000 cats at that point and not one tested positive. He thought the news about a tiger having it was really about the tiger having a “coronavirus,” but it wasn’t COVID-19.

He thought we should have shut down all travel, quickly, and we would have stopped the virus from spreading. He might be right.

He was explaining that when it comes to viruses, *either* they spread easily *or* they are deadly, but we don’t find viruses that are both. It’s like a two sided scale, when one side goes up, the other goes down. So many biological processes work exactly like this. He said that Ebola, for example, is very deadly, but doesn’t spread well, because the host often dies before they spread it. He said COVID-19 spreads easily but is not super deadly. (As we can verify by the numbers).

He said they actually found COVID-19 in 2017, but classified it as not being dangerous. The current virus has morphed a bit, but is only 3% different from that virus they discovered in 2017.

Did President Trump Knock Down the Military in the First Debate?

After the September 29 Presidential Debate, I noticed people claiming that President Trump had spoken ill of the military that night. I didn’t remember any such behavior (though I did see plenty of other upsetting behaviors). It made me wonder if the claims were true, so I decided to study the transcript.

I found the entire transcript online, and I have pasted every word President Trump said about the military and the vets below. First, though, I would like to sum up what the transcript says.

What Did President Trump Say About the Military in the First Presidential Debate?

Note that these statements do not represent my opinions, nor have I fact checked these statements yet. This is simply a summation of what the President said in the debate:

  1. The Obama/Biden administration did not provide proper healthcare for the military, and 308,000 military people died on their watch.
  2. The military was “broken” and in debt when Obama/Biden left office, and Trump had to fix it.
  3. Two hundred and fifty military leaders and generals are supporting the Trump campaign.
  4. The 1619 Project/”Critical Race Theory” is racist and was being taught in our schools and to our military.
  5. Trump has re-built the military and Space Force.
  6. Trump fixed the VA, which was a mess under the Obama/Biden administration.
  7. People were dying because of the Obama/Biden administration.
  8. The Trump administration has fixed the VA to take care of our vets.
  9. The Trump campaign has a 91% approval rating from the vets.
  10. Hunter (Biden) got thrown out of the military for cocaine use.
  11. Biden spoke ill of the military and it is on tape.
  12. The military is all set up to deliver the COVID-19 vaccine when it is ready.
  13. Military ballots with “Trump” on them were found in a garbage can recently.

How Did He Knock Down the Military?

Perhaps saying that the military was “broken” under the Obama/Biden administration was knocking down the military? I think he was attempting to say that Obama/Biden did not take care of the military as they should have. (Again, I have not fact checked this, I am only stating what he said). I don’t personally think he was speaking ill of the military in this statement.

None of the press are talking about President Trump’s claims that he has a 91% approval rating among veterans. If this were a false claim and could be proven false, the media would be all over it. This means it is either true or cannot be proven untrue.

Overall, I don’t personally see any statements where he knocked down the military. If you disagree, please leave a comment and let me know. If you would like to read all of his exact words about the military that he spoke during the debate, you may do so below.

The Transcript (Everything President Said About the Military at the September 29, 2020 Debate)

9:39 

Joe, you’ve had 308,000 military people dying because you couldn’t provide them proper healthcare in the military. So don’t tell me about this.

17:33

Including fixing the broken military that you gave me, including taking care of your debts.

28:45

“…we just got the support of 250 military leaders and generals, total support.”

32:42

(regarding critical race theory and the 1619 Project)

“I ended it because it’s racist. I ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane. That it a radical revolution that was taking place in our military, in our schools, all over the place.”

44:03

“A rebuilding of the military, including Space Force and all of the other things. A fixing of the VA which was a mess under him, 308,000 people died because they didn’t have proper health care. It was a mess. And we now got a 91% approval rating at the VA, our vets. We take care of our vets. But we’ve rebuilt our military.”

47:44

“I don’t know Beau. I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out dishonorably discharged.”

“For cocaine use.”

58:16

“He [Biden] made a statement about the military. He said I said something about the military. He and his friends made it up, and then they went with it. I never said it.”

58:28

“He called the military stupid bastards.”

“He said it on tape.”

1:00

(regarding the vaccine)

“Well, we’re going to deliver it right away. We have the military all set up. Logistically, they’re all set up. We have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day. They’re going to be delivering-”

1:09

“Hey, they found ballots in a wastepaper basket three days ago, and they all had the name military ballots. There were military. They all had the name Trump on them.”

Do You See Any Examples of President Trump Knocking Down the Military?

If you see any examples that I am missing, please share. I would love to hear your thoughts.

On Modern Day Slavery

I was just shopping for cheap clothing, and then was convicted. I just shared with a friend, earlier, that I believe most of us are still active participants in slavery and wouldn’t be able to live the lifestyles we live without it. It isn’t in America, so we don’t see it right in front of our faces, but it IS happening. If we buy any of the following brands, at least, we are supporting the evil practice of slavery, STILL:

“Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, Roewe, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE. Some brands are linked with multiple factories.”

UGH. That’s a lot. It’s convicting. It gives new perspective, for me, of some slave owners. Bear with me. I’m not saying slavery is okay, at all. Here are my thoughts about supporting modern-day slavery, and I imagine some, in the south, so long ago, felt the same way:I HATE slavery. I HATE the mistreatment of people. AND I don’t know how to get out of budgeting limitations that won’t allow me to buy all fair-trade, locally-made, hand-crafted everything. I don’t think I can even own a cell phone at all that isn’t manufactured with slave-labor. I think the only kind of vehicle we could drive is a Ford, to avoid supporting slave-labor, maybe (are they truly completely American-made?). With five kids, and the bills, and a need to put food on the table AND clothe my kids AND furnish my house, I find myself reliant on cheap goods in order to maintain my way of life….Do you guys follow?

I’m a well-meaning person. I don’t think I’m racist. I don’t hate any human group anywhere. I believe that all people were created in the image of God and I want all of them to have the same freedoms that I have.

This is a heartbreaking position!

I know there have been terrible slave owners who treated people worse than they would treat their dog. That is horrendous and I cringe thinking about it. I believe there were some well-meaning, stuck in an ugly system people, too. I think some of them did the best they could, and took in “slaves” but really treated them like children, like they were adopted. (Like Phillis Wheatley’s family), or treated adult slaves like members of the family instead of like servants. I would like to think I would have been one of them. The slaves should have been free to live where they wanted and do whatever kind of work they pleased. Period. So, no matter how good they were treated by their “masters,” it wasn’t an okay system. I think there were also people who didn’t own slaves who indirectly supported the very system they fought against, by buying cheap cotton and other goods that could only be purchased so cheaply *because* of slavery. I don’t know if they understood how their dollars supported the ugly system of slavery?

I hate slavery. I hate it. I want it to end, worldwide. I don’t want to be a part of it .Let’s start dialogue. How do we end it? For me, I’m thinking through: American-made clothing or at least not slave-labor clothing…Used furniture or American made or locally crafted. (I say that and think of dollar signs). I don’t know what to do about phones, other technology and cars.How do we end worldwide slavery together? Right now, all of us, who buy any of these brands, and so many others, are active participants, supporting slavery with our dollars. My guess is, if we buy anything “cheap,” like from Dollar Tree, Walmart, etc., we are supporting slavery. Not to throw certain businesses under the bus, but, really, how do they get such inexpensive products? What do we do? How do we get past real budget restraints and still pay people fair wages?

Update:

Okay, about my earlier post: WOW, I am so thankful to learn that we, as a country, are not going to be supporting this modern-day slavery any longer. This is new as of Sept 2020! https://www.congress.gov/…/116…/senate-bill/3471/text…https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-sanctions-chinese…/ Also, the Obama administration refused to exclude countries known for using slavery and human trafficking in his progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership deal, according to Huffington Post. Trump got us out of that deal quickly. Biden wants to get back in. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slavery-really_b_7462932…https://www.forbes.com/…/09/08/biden-vs-trump-on-trade/… Moral of the story? If you hate slavery, you cannot vote for Biden. He WILL have our country supporting modern-day slavery in China. Trump has fought hard to make sure America has no part in this. We can make personal choices, sure, but if we want to make a GIANT impact on current-day slavery, our vote matters this November! https://dailycaller.com/…/trump-to-prioritize-ending…/

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/72224-bidens-callous-disregard-for-chinas-human-rights-abuses-2020-07-17?fbclid=IwAR1GniGYrEMiB4yNNeCTCW5z6WAj79F2kDfvPAGnUqm82SfaB8WpLPthpiQ

“Best chance” may be an understatement. Biden is China’s only chance.” Only chance meaning, the only chance for China to be on top again in world trade, to trade freely without the tariffs Trump put in place, and to trade freely using whatever means of labor they see fit. Joe Biden has said some scary things about China, like that he “understands” their one child policy that forces women to have abortions when they want to keep their baby. Wow.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/08/27/joe-biden-is-probably-the-only-man-who-can-save-china-in-202o/?fbclid=IwAR352IzWSc3WEZU7uVi0VhC3vBF-H22s6VccBeFUfxnH11C2IYeUtiGDb5Y#fe81d2f38264

Some of my replies to others:

“As far as not supporting slave labor, Congress has passed a law that is not going to allow ships of goods that were produced with slave labor to enter our country. Trump did try to negotiate, but China “re-framed” their slavery situation and called concentration camps industry training facilities, or something like that. I think sometimes, when a country refuses to change, we have to make hard rules that impact them in big ways. That’s my thought.”

“I hear you, but if we’re using slave labor to get our cheap products, should we continue in that practice, or cut it off right away? And then, shouldn’t we just learn to deal with the higher prices, because that is reality without slave labor? I think we, as Americans, are caught in a system that is based on false realities. Mortgages, high mortgages, car payments, buying things we couldn’t afford if they were made by fairly paid workers, etc.”

“I think most Americans really do live in a completely false world (me included). Most of us live in homes we couldn’t afford to buy outright and they aren’t really ours until 30 years later. Most people have car payments on cars they can’t afford to buy outright and that they don’t technically own until 5 years later…Most people buy disposable junk products, products that make life easier, without thinking of any consequences of those products (Consequences to human life, consequences to the recycling plants or the dumps, etc…). It’s easy to get stuck in this way of life and to think it’s normal, and to not question it. But, if we were in the south and people had slaves still today, and we were having this conversation—would it be okay (looking back), to say “but if they stop slavery so abruptly, cotton will be way, way, way too expensive and people won’t be able to afford it anymore”? Having to pay more for cotton would be painful, but we would have to deal with it, right? Now that we know about how horrible slavery was in our country, of course, we’d be willing to pay more to free people, right? I think we are facing the same exact dilemma right now, but it’s not in front of our eyes and we can’t see the faces of the people being mistreated. I think China is just the first step for the President, and mainly because it’s so bad there and so big there. But we’ve known that for years. People have joked about how cheap “Made in China” products were, maybe without realizing how they were so cheap (slave labor). I’m just thankful that President Trump is standing up to it and not encouraging China to continue in these evil practices (Obama did give them freedom to continue, and Biden would too). I agree there is slavery in other places, too, and I think all of it needs to be addressed. Under-paid, poorly-treated illegal immigrants who work in our meat plants (which are owned by China, by the way) in our country have been on my mind for so many years. I personally drew a line at cheap meat from these factories a long time ago, and I only rarely buy it (it is difficult to find boneless skinless chicken breasts or drumsticks at local farms, so sometimes I compromise for variety…Wish I didn’t…). I figured out how to budget for farm-fresh meat and purposely seek out buying 1/4 of a cow, or 1/2 of a pig at a time, etc. and fill a chest freezer with that meat (it’s cheaper per pound than buying each cut individually). I stretch the meat with a lot of soups to make it so that we can afford this. I do it for two reasons: 1. Our health, I think “Good fat” is super important for a healthy gallbladder and other organs and I don’t want to feed our family bad fat (fat is where the toxins go, so pork from these factories is particularly concerning to me). 2. I don’t want to support the ugly labor practices any longer. I read a book about a woman who was an illegal immigrant working in a tomato field with her baby attached to her, and she was working directly with pesticides and got cancer. All to feed us. It’s NOT okay, and stuff like that makes me so upset. It’s one of the reasons I started a blog about agriculture and farming practices 10+ years ago. So I started becoming a farmer’s market advocate and try to go often (every weekend if I can). Okay, I am babbling….But I think, overall, mistreatment of people has to stop everywhere, and I agree, it’s going to hit us hard when we have to pay the real costs of the things we buy….But–bring it on….In reality, we should probably all live in cheap houses, and buy our meats from farms that treat their employees well, and buy cars we can buy for cash, and stop buying junk products from slave-labor in China… ❤

“I don’t think we did away with slavery. I think we just moved it overseas. 🙁

“I wrote an article on my blog once about how we don’t think about our trash. What if we all had to keep all of our own trash on our own piece of property, forever? How much more careful would we be about the disposable stuff that we use? We aren’t being good stewards.”